Wavelength of an Electromagnetic wave

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the creation and characteristics of electromagnetic (EM) waves, specifically focusing on the generation of an EM wave from a rotating charge and the associated calculations for wavelength and frequency. Participants explore theoretical aspects, mathematical formulations, and the implications of Maxwell's equations in the context of electromagnetic radiation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a model of a charge rotating in a circle to generate an electric field and questions whether this constitutes an electromagnetic wave.
  • Another participant challenges this approach, stating that generating an EM wave is more complex and requires consideration of retarded time and Maxwell's equations.
  • A follow-up inquiry asks for recommendations on resources to better understand the generation of EM waves and references Maxwell's assertion regarding changing electric fields inducing magnetic fields.
  • Further discussion includes a suggestion to study dipole radiation as a common example in textbooks, highlighting the oscillation of charges as a source of radiation.
  • Another participant introduces an alternative scenario involving an infinite sheet with oscillating current as a simpler case for analyzing radiation, providing specific parameters for current density and resulting electric field strength.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of the initial model for generating an EM wave, with some agreeing that more advanced concepts are necessary while others seek clarification on the relationship between electric and magnetic fields in this context. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the initial claim of electromagnetic wave generation.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the reliance on electrostatic approximations in the initial model, the need for advanced understanding of electromagnetic theory, and the potential for misunderstanding the conditions under which electromagnetic waves are produced.

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I tried to see how we go about *creating* and electromagnetic wave. To do that, I take a charge 'Q' rotating in a circle of 'radius' r in the y-z plane, with it's center as the origin with an angular velocity [itex]\omega[/itex]. The electric field at a point (x, y, z) is given by:

[tex] E(x, y, z) = E_x(x, y, z) + E_y(x, y, z) + E_z(x, y, z)[/tex]

where:

[tex] E_x(x, y, z) = \frac{Q(9 \times 10^{9})x}{\left(r^2+x^2+y^2+z^2-2 r (y \text{Cos}[t \omega ]+z \text{Sin}[t \omega ])\right)^3}\hat{i}[/tex]

[tex] E_y(x, y, z) = \frac{Q(9 \times 10^{9})(y<br /> - r\text{Cos}[t \omega ])}{\left(r^2+x^2+y^2+z^2-2 r (y \text{Cos}[t \omega ]+z \text{Sin}[t \omega ])\right)^3} \hat{j}[/tex]

[tex] E_z(x, y, z) = \frac{Q(9 \times 10^9)(y - r\text{Sin}[t \omega ])}{\left(r^2+x^2+y^2+z^2-2 r (y \text{Cos}[t \omega ]+z \text{Sin}[t \omega ])\right)^3} \hat{k}[/tex]

Is this an electromagnetic wave. I think it is because well.. since the charge retraces it's path every [tex]t = \frac{2\pi}{\omega}[/tex].. so the electric field at any point will vary periodically as a function of time.

How do I find it' wavelength and frequency? Is [tex]f = \frac{1}{T} = \frac{\omega}{2\pi}[/tex] correct for frequency?

Also.. how do i find the generated magnetic field? And assuming that the wavelength of this wave comes out to be something within the visible range of light.. will this moving charge cause visible radiation?
 
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You have just tried to use the electrostatic E.
Generating an EM wave is much more complicated, involving the retarded time and Maxwell's equations. You have to read the EM radiation chapter in a more advanced text.
 
pam said:
You have just tried to use the electrostatic E.
Generating an EM wave is much more complicated, involving the retarded time and Maxwell's equations. You have to read the EM radiation chapter in a more advanced text.

any recommendations?

Also.. Maxwell did say that a changing electric field causes a changing magnetic field. In that case, the electric field which i presented, should also create a magnetic field. So, basically i have a time changing vector field consisting of both and electric field and a magnetic field.. so why is it not an electromagnetic wave?
 
See for example chapter 9 of Griffiths's "Introduction to Electrodynamics."

The first example most books do is radiation from an oscillating dipole: a positive and negative charge "flip-flopping" back and forth in simple harmonic motion. A Google search on "dipole radiation" or something similar might turn up some lecture notes.
 
Dipole radiation is a pretty hard case to analyze. A much simpler case for radiation is an infinite sheet with oscillating current. If the current density is 1 amp/meter (yes, those are the units for sheet current, not amps/meter squared!) then you create a field at right angles of 377 volts/meter and an associated power of 377 watts flowing away from the sheet.
 

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