Weak Damping - how to relate the amplitude and phase difference

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The discussion revolves around deriving the relationship between the maximum displacement \(x_{max}\), amplitudes \(A_{+}\) and \(A_{-}\), and the phase difference \(\phi\) in the context of weak damping in oscillatory motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the cancellation of terms in the equations and the implications of setting \(A_{+} = A_{-}\). There are attempts to simplify the resulting expressions, with some questioning the handling of terms involving \(\phi\) and the validity of the identities for all \(t\).

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on addressing the dropped factors and the need for consistency in the equations. There is an ongoing exploration of how to properly relate the terms and clarify misunderstandings regarding the expressions involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential missing factors and the importance of maintaining all relevant terms in the equations, indicating that assumptions about the relationships may need to be revisited.

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Homework Statement


Derive the relationship bewteen x_{max}, A_{+}, A_{-} and \phi

Homework Equations


x(t) = e^{\gamma t}(A_{+}e^{i \omega_d t} + A_{-}e^{-i \omega_d t})
x(t) = x_{max} e^{\gamma t} cos(\omega_d t + \phi)

The Attempt at a Solution


I know the e^{\gamma t} cancels and for the imaginary parts to cancel, A_{+} = A_{-} but then i get x_{max}(cos(\omega_d t) cos(\phi) - sin(\omega_d t)sin(\phi)) = 2A_{+} cos(\omega_d) and i can't work out how to simplify it further
 
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GayYoda said:

Homework Statement


Derive the relationship bewteen ##x_{max}##, ##A_{+}##, ##A_{-}## and ##\phi##

Homework Equations


##x(t) = e^{\gamma t}(A_{+}e^{i \omega_d t} + A_{-}e^{-i \omega_d t})##
##x(t) = x_{max} e^{\gamma t} cos(\omega_d t + \phi)##

The Attempt at a Solution


I know the ##e^{\gamma t}## cancels and for the imaginary parts to cancel, ##A_{+} = A_{-}## but then i get ##x_{max}(cos(\omega_d t) cos(\phi) - sin(\omega_d t)sin(\phi)) = 2A_{+} cos(\omega_d)## and i can't work out how to simplify it further
First, fixing up the LaTeX by inserting double hash as necessary.

You seem to have dropped a factor t.
After reinstating that, consider that this is supposed to be an identity valid for all t.
How can you use that?
 
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You dropped ##\phi## as well.
 
vela said:
You dropped ##\phi## as well.
That's not how I read it. One side has Φ, the other does not, and the value is to be deduced.
 
Ah, makes sense. I misunderstood what the OP was doing.
 

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