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The discussion focuses on determining the relationship between two vectors, 𝑎 = 2𝑖 + 6𝑗 - 4𝑘 and 𝑏 = -3𝑖 - 9𝑗 + 6𝑘. The vectors are confirmed to be parallel, as demonstrated by the calculation of their dot product, which is -84, indicating they are not orthogonal. Additionally, the relationship is established through inspection, showing that (-3/2) * 𝑎 = 𝑏. The discussion also highlights the importance of understanding vector relationships through both algebraic and geometric perspectives.

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Homework Statement


Determine whether the given vectors are orthogonal, parallel, or neither.

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<br /> \cos \theta = \frac{{\overrightarrow {\rm{a}} \cdot \overrightarrow {\rm{b}} }}{{\left| {\overrightarrow {\rm{a}} } \right|\left| {\overrightarrow {\rm{b}} } \right|}}\,\, \Rightarrow \,\,\theta = \cos ^{ - 1} \left( {\frac{{\overrightarrow {\rm{a}} \cdot \overrightarrow {\rm{b}} }}{{\left| {\overrightarrow {\rm{a}} } \right|\left| {\overrightarrow {\rm{b}} } \right|}}} \right)<br />

The Attempt at a Solution


<br /> \begin{array}{l}<br /> \overrightarrow {\rm{a}} = 2i + 6j - 4k,\,\,\,\,\overrightarrow {\rm{b}} = - 3{\rm{\hat i}} - {\rm{9\hat j}}\,{\rm{ + }}\,{\rm{6\hat k}} \\ <br /> \,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\overrightarrow {\rm{a}} \cdot \overrightarrow {\rm{b}} = \left( {2 \cdot - 3} \right) + \left( {6 \cdot - 9} \right) + \left( { - 4 \cdot 6} \right) = - 6 + \left( { - 54} \right) + \left( { - 10} \right) = - 58 \ne 0{\rm{__not_ orthogonal}} \\ <br /> \\ <br /> \,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\cos ^{ - 1} \left( {\frac{{\overrightarrow {\rm{a}} \cdot \overrightarrow {\rm{b}} }}{{\left| {\overrightarrow {\rm{a}} } \right|\left| {\overrightarrow {\rm{b}} } \right|}}} \right) = \cos ^{ - 1} \left( {\frac{{ - 58}}{{\sqrt {2^2 + 6^2 + \left( { - 4} \right)^2 } \sqrt {\left( { - 3} \right)^2 + \left( { - 9} \right)^2 + 6^2 } }}} \right) = \\ <br /> \\ <br /> \,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\cos ^{ - 1} \left( {\frac{{ - 58}}{{\sqrt {4 + 36 + 16} \sqrt {9 + 81 + 36} }}} \right) = \\ <br /> \\ <br /> \,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\cos ^{ - 1} \left( {\frac{{ - 58}}{{\sqrt {56} \sqrt {126} }}} \right) \approx 133.67^\circ \ne 0^\circ \,{\rm{not_ parallel,}}\,\, \\ <br /> \end{array}<br />

But the back of the book says parallel.
 
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-4*6=(-24). -6-54-24=-84. That's the dot product of a and b.
 
Dick said:
-4*6=(-24).

:redface:oops. back to 2nd grade for me:smile:. Thanks, Dick.
 
BTW you can also see that they are parallel by inspection. (-3/2)*a=b.
 
<br /> \begin{align*}<br /> \textbf{a}\cdot\textbf{b} = 0 &amp; &amp;\Rightarrow &amp; &amp;\textbf{a} \perp \textbf{b}\\<br /> \textbf{a}\times\textbf{b} = \textbf{0} &amp; &amp;\Rightarrow &amp; &amp;\textbf{a} \parallel \textbf{b}<br /> \end{align*} <br />
 
Dick said:
BTW you can also see that they are parallel by inspection. (-3/2)*a=b.

Another student did it this way, but I don't see it. Where does -3 and 2 come from?

foxjwill said:
<br /> \begin{align*}<br /> \textbf{a}\cdot\textbf{b} = 0 &amp; &amp;\Rightarrow &amp; &amp;\textbf{a} \perp \textbf{b}\\<br /> \textbf{a}\times\textbf{b} = \textbf{0} &amp; &amp;\Rightarrow &amp; &amp;\textbf{a} \parallel \textbf{b}<br /> \end{align*} <br />

Cross product is next chapter, but thanks, that gives me a good preview of what's to come!
 
tony873004 said:
Another student did it this way, but I don't see it. Where does -3 and 2 come from?

Solve each of these for x:

<br /> \begin{align*}<br /> 2x &amp;= -3\\<br /> 6x &amp;= -9\\<br /> -4x &amp;= 6<br /> \end{align*}<br />
 
I still don't get it. How does solving them demonstrate that a and b are parallel? Sorry, but the book does not explain this method.
 
now I get it. The -3 is factored out of b, and the 2 is factored out of a, The remaining parts of a and b are equal, therefore parallel.
 
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tony873004 said:
now I get it. The -3 is factored out of b, and the 2 is factored out of a, The remaining parts of a and b are equal, therefore parallel.

Exactly. In order for two vectors to be parallel, one must be a constant multiple (in this case -\frac{3}{2}) of the other.
 
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Now I'm glad I made my original dumb mistake of 6*4=10, or I wouldn't have posted and learned this easier method.
 
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They say the only way to learn is to make mistakes. ;)
 

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