Weird pattern for a laser beam spot

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the unexpected interference fringes observed in the Gaussian profile of a laser beam when measured using a specific camera setup. Participants explore potential causes for these fringes, considering both the optical setup and the camera itself.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their setup involving wedges to guide the laser beam into the camera and notes the presence of interference fringes, questioning their origin.
  • Another participant asks for clarification on whether the laser beam is reflecting off the wedges, indicating a need for understanding the setup better.
  • A participant suggests that the distance between the wedges may affect the spacing of the interference fringes.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the optics in the lens tube of the camera, with a suggestion that uncoated optics could create etalons leading to interference.
  • A participant proposes that the interference might stem from the camera's glass window, leading to reflections that cause the observed fringes.
  • Another participant suggests a method to test whether the interference is due to the camera or the setup by rotating the camera while keeping the beam on screen.
  • A final suggestion is made to use a different camera type, such as an SLR, to see if the issue persists.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the source of the interference fringes, with no consensus reached on whether the issue arises from the optical setup or the camera itself.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions about the optical setup, the angles of the wedges, and the potential effects of different optical components, but these assumptions remain unresolved.

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Hello! I am trying to measure the gaussian profile of a laser beam, which is supposed to be T00. The profile shown in the specifications looks very Gaussian, and the laser is brand new. I am using this camera and I am using 2 of these wedges to guide the laser beam into the camera (mainly to reduce the power). However what I am getting is the figure below. The central, bright spot looks basically like what I expect, but on top of that I see some sort of interference fringes. I don't think this is from the laser (I hope not!) as these would be a lot higher order modes than the expected T00, but I am not sure what they can be from. I made sure (as much as I could) that the light hits the camera perpendicularly. Does anyone have any idea what can cause this? Thank you!

Edit: I attached below a picture of my setup.

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Are you reflecting from the wedges? I don't understand your setup.
 
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Are you reflecting from the wedges? I don't understand your setup.
Yes, I am reflecting from them. The reflection from the first wedge goes into the second wedge. And the refection from the second wedge into the camera.
 
There are then four different surfaces that both reflect and refract the beam. There must be several distinct good paths to follow How far apart are the wedges (relative to their diameter) . If you double that distance I would expect the spacing of fringes to change and shift.
 
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There are then four different surfaces that both reflect and refract the beam. There must be several distinct good paths to follow How far apart are the wedges (relative to their diameter) . If you double that distance I would expect the spacing of fringes to change and shift.
Thanks for this. I am not totally sure I see why reflection from the back surface would be important here. The angle of the wedge is 10 degree, so far enough from the wedges (I would say that the distance between the optical elements are about 10 x the wedge diameter) the 2 beams won't overlap at all basically.
 
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@hutchphd The front and back surfaces of the wedges are angled so that you don't see interference between the two reflected beams (front reflected and back reflected).

What are those optics in the lens tube on your camera? Lenses? ND filters? I bet those are what's causing your interference. Non-angled, uncoated optics make etalons that cause the interference you see.

Alternative, a well placed isolator can solve this interference issue.

For the purpose of beam profiling, you can ignore those fringes. Turn the exposure time down on your camera to make sure there isn't more significant weirdness that you can't see above 'cause of the saturation.
 
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Twigg said:
@hutchphd The front and back surfaces of the wedges are angled so that you don't see interference between the two reflected beams (front reflected and back reflected).

What are those optics in the lens tube on your camera? Lenses? ND filters? I bet those are what's causing your interference. Non-angled, uncoated optics make etalons that cause the interference you see.

Alternative, a well placed isolator can solve this interference issue.

For the purpose of beam profiling, you can ignore those fringes. Turn the exposure time down on your camera to make sure there isn't more significant weirdness that you can't see above 'cause of the saturation.
Thanks a lot for your reply! Actually there is nothing in the tube. I added it just to protect from other sources of light, but I see the fringes even if I remove the tube completely. What someone suggested to me (after I made this post) was that the interference might be due to the camera itself. The sensor of the camera seems to be behind a glass window, and that might lead to interference (e.g. from reflections between the camera sensor and that glass). Can this be the reason?
 
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Yes. The interference is from the two surfaces of the glass window itself. It should be easy to tell if it is in the camera or in your set-up.
 
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Yep, sounds like that's it. If you wanted to test it, you'd need to rotate the whole camera while keeping the beam on screen. If its the camera's window, then the fringes will not appear to rotate. If its fringes on the beam itself, then the fringes will appear to rotate. Best of luck!
 
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The camera was my first thought as well. Pull out grandpa's SLR and try film.
 
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