What actually an Electric Charge ?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of electric charge, exploring its definition, properties, and relationship to other physical quantities such as energy and force. Participants question what constitutes charge and how it interacts with particles in electromagnetic fields.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that electric charge is a physical property of matter that causes it to experience forces in electromagnetic fields.
  • Others clarify that charge is distinct from energy and force, suggesting it is a separate property that describes interactions between particles.
  • One participant proposes that charge is defined to facilitate the description of particle interactions, similar to other properties like mass and spin.
  • There are claims that charge is additive, meaning the total charge of a system can be calculated by summing the charges of individual particles.
  • A question is raised about whether charges possess geometrical properties in space-time akin to gravity, leading to a response that general relativity does not address the geometrical properties of objects, only spacetime.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of charge, with no consensus reached regarding its fundamental definition or its relationship to energy and force. The discussion remains unresolved on several points, particularly regarding the analogy between charge and other physical properties.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference external sources like textbooks and encyclopedias to support their claims, but these references do not resolve the ongoing questions about the nature of charge.

aditya ver.2.0
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Since schooldays, we have been learning that electric charge is the physical property of matter that causes it to experience a force when placed in an electromagnetic field. But what's actually a charge, energy or force or is it something else??
 
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Electric charge is either positive or negative. Due to this physical property of matter , it experiences repulsion or attraction when placed in electromagnetic field.
 
aditya ver.2.0 said:
Since schooldays, we have been learning that electric charge is the physical property of matter that causes it to experience a force when placed in an electromagnetic field.
Right, and electromagnetic fields are defined by their ability to exert forces on electric charges. Those definitions only make sense together.

aditya ver.2.0 said:
But what's actually a charge, energy or force
No these are different quantities.

aditya ver.2.0 said:
or is it something else??
Yes, a different physical quantity than energy and force.
 
Sir,
whats actually a charge if its neither energy nor a force
 
Charge is not energy but force that helps in repulsion & attraction. Due to electrical energy , there is electrical charge.
 
aditya ver.2.0 said:
Sir,
whats actually a charge if its neither energy nor a force

The basic fact is that we observe that certain particles experience a force when near other particles. In order to describe how they interact, we say that the particles have a "charge" of either positive of negative and that these particles will repel other particles with a like charge or attract particles of an opposite charge.

So "charge" is just something we define particles to have in order to have some way of describing their interaction. There are other such properties, such as mass and spin, so charge isn't unique in this aspect.
 
aditya ver.2.0 said:
Sir,
whats actually a charge if its neither energy nor a force
As you stated originally, it is a basic property of matter. I checked wiki, my college physics textbook, and my encyclopedia. They all say basically the same thing.

It would be like you asking me, if I ate too many pizzas, and got really fat; "What is fat"?
It's simply a property of mine. Fat, or mass, is also neither energy, nor a force.

Mass is probably a good analogy, as the equations are the same.

Fgravity = G * mearth * mOmCheeto / r2 (ref)
Fcharge = ke * q1 * q2 / r2 (ref)

Though the forces between charges can be either attractive or repulsive, and gravity is only attractive.

Energies and forces are a result of interacting charges, and interacting masses.

ps. Drak, I started this post before you posted, so your mentioning mass did not influence me in my choice of "fat" as an analogy.
 
aditya ver.2.0 said:
whats actually a charge if its neither energy nor a force
Do you know what energy and force actually are?
 
Charge is a property of matter. Basic particles have charge, and when you move the particles, the charge moves with it. Charge is additive; you take a bunch of particles and the total charge adds together.
 
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Do these charges have a geometrical property in space-time just as the gravity does according to G.R ?
 
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aditya ver.2.0 said:
Do these charges have a geometrical property in space-time just as the gravity does according to G.R ?

No. GR doesn't explain the geometrical properties of objects, only of spacetime.
 

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