What are the charges of quarks and leptons?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of charges associated with quarks and leptons, exploring the reasons behind their positive and negative designations. Participants examine the relationship between charge and particle interactions, as well as the theoretical frameworks that underpin these concepts, including field theory and gauge transformations.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that charge is attributed to particles based on their interactions with other bodies, suggesting it is a characteristic attribute rather than a material property.
  • Others argue that the assignment of electric charge to leptons is based on their movement in an electromagnetic field, while quarks are assigned charges to ensure that their combinations in mesons and baryons yield the correct overall charge.
  • A later reply discusses the concept of charge in the context of field theory, where particles are viewed as states of a quantum field, and charge arises from symmetries associated with gauge transformations.
  • Participants mention that quark charges must be fractional to satisfy the observed properties of baryons.
  • There is a distinction made between electric charge and other types of charges, with some participants seeking to understand the fundamental reasons behind the definitions of positive and negative charges in physical particles.

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Participants express a range of views on the nature of charge, with no consensus reached on a singular explanation. The discussion includes both exploratory reasoning and technical explanations, indicating multiple competing perspectives on the topic.

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Some participants highlight the limitations of classical analogies in understanding charge, emphasizing the need for a more nuanced view that incorporates quantum field theory and gauge invariance. The discussion reflects a variety of assumptions and interpretations regarding the nature of charge.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying particle physics, particularly individuals seeking to understand the foundational concepts of charge and its implications in quantum field theory.

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Hello everyone,
I'm sorry if it's a dumb question, I'm very new in self studying particle physics.
May I ask when we associate a charge (i.e. positive or negative) to quark and lepton, is it only because of their attraction or repulsion toward each other? in other words, is it just to name one of their properties because the way they react to another particle's property?
Thank you so much in advance.
 
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Behrouz said:
May I ask when we associate a charge (i.e. positive or negative) to quark and lepton, is it only because of their attraction or repulsion toward each other? in other words, is it just to name one of their properties because the way they react to another particle's property?
Thank you so much in advance.
From our usual /classical world experiences we have attributed charge to a particle or body based on the its interaction with other bodies- so it’s a characteristic attribute and can not be associated with a ‘material’ picture .
So ,you are right in saying <just to name one of their properties because the way they react to another particle's property?>

Such as flow of charges are not like “fluid flow” but movement of particles or fields in space.

The action at a distance between charges also is mediated by ‘particles’ which can be exchanged

If we look from the basis of Field theory particles can be visualized as states (or quanta) of field quantum.

When a field is invariant under some of transformations called a gauge transformation, then the associated particle is said to have charge which corresponds to that symmetry. This is where electric charge comes from, along with other types of charges such as color charges.

A particle’s charge determines how it transforms under symmetry operations. (see Noether's Theorem.)
Other intrinsic properties like "spin" also behaves like a spin-charge- if particles with well defined spins move then a 'spin-wave' can be built up.
 
Behrouz said:
Hello everyone,
I'm sorry if it's a dumb question, I'm very new in self studying particle physics.
May I ask when we associate a charge (i.e. positive or negative) to quark and lepton, is it only because of their attraction or repulsion toward each other? in other words, is it just to name one of their properties because the way they react to another particle's property?
Thank you so much in advance.
If you mean electric charge, then the charges on leptons can be assigned according to how they move in an electromagnetic field. Quarks are conceptual components which make up mesons and baryons, and their electric charges are assigned in such a way that their combinations to form the relevant mesons and baryons have the correct observed overall charge when added together. For this to work for baryons, the charges need to be fractional (plus or minus 1/3 or 2/3 of the elementary charge).

Other quantum properties which may be called "charge" are assigned in such a way as to give the correct overall properties for the combinations of quarks which form the actual particles.
 
drvrm said:
From our usual /classical world experiences we have attributed charge to a particle or body based on the its interaction with other bodies- so it’s a characteristic attribute and can not be associated with a ‘material’ picture .
So ,you are right in saying <just to name one of their properties because the way they react to another particle's property?>

Such as flow of charges are not like “fluid flow” but movement of particles or fields in space.

The action at a distance between charges also is mediated by ‘particles’ which can be exchanged

If we look from the basis of Field theory particles can be visualized as states (or quanta) of field quantum.

When a field is invariant under some of transformations called a gauge transformation, then the associated particle is said to have charge which corresponds to that symmetry. This is where electric charge comes from, along with other types of charges such as color charges.

A particle’s charge determines how it transforms under symmetry operations. (see Noether's Theorem.)
Other intrinsic properties like "spin" also behaves like a spin-charge- if particles with well defined spins move then a 'spin-wave' can be built up.
Hello drvm,

Thank you so much for your complete answer to my question. It gave me a lot of information and a new way of thinking about that. I appreciate it.
Regards,
Behrouz
 
Jonathan Scott said:
If you mean electric charge, then the charges on leptons can be assigned according to how they move in an electromagnetic field. Quarks are conceptual components which make up mesons and baryons, and their electric charges are assigned in such a way that their combinations to form the relevant mesons and baryons have the correct observed overall charge when added together. For this to work for baryons, the charges need to be fractional (plus or minus 1/3 or 2/3 of the elementary charge).

Other quantum properties which may be called "charge" are assigned in such a way as to give the correct overall properties for the combinations of quarks which form the actual particles.
Dear Jonathan,

Thanks for your response. I was looking for the meaning of 'Charge', not the way it is used in electricity or 'electrical' charge, but the reason behind the 'Negative' and 'positive' definitions for physical particles. I believe the second part of your answer is helping me in that case.
Thanks again. I appreciate it.

Regards,
Behrouz
 

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