Attraction due to charge particles and attraction due to gravity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the similarities and differences between the attraction of charged particles and gravitational attraction. Participants question why gravitational attraction is often viewed with more skepticism compared to electromagnetic attraction, examining the fundamental nature of both forces and their underlying mechanisms.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the attraction between charged particles is well understood, while the nature of gravitational attraction remains more mysterious.
  • Others argue that there are theories for both electromagnetic and gravitational forces, indicating that questioning exists for both.
  • A participant notes that gravity has only one "charge," leading to universal attraction, while electromagnetic forces can either attract or repel based on the charges involved.
  • It is mentioned that leptons, such as electrons, are electrically charged but not made of quarks, which complicates the understanding of charge interactions.
  • One participant references general relativity, suggesting that gravitational attraction is not analogous to electromagnetic attraction, except as an approximation under certain conditions.
  • There is a discussion about whether gravity is a characteristic of particles or a result of the curvature of space caused by matter.
  • Another participant highlights that gravitational attraction is significantly weaker than electrostatic attraction, noting that both follow inverse square laws.
  • A specific example is provided where gravitational forces do not lead to attraction, illustrating that under certain conditions, objects can move away from each other due to gravity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of gravitational and electromagnetic attraction, with no consensus reached on whether they are fundamentally similar or different. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the underlying mechanisms of gravity compared to electromagnetic forces.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various theories and concepts, but there are limitations in the assumptions made about the nature of forces and the definitions of charge. The discussion includes unresolved mathematical comparisons and the implications of different physical scenarios.

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Why we don't question attraction of a positive and negative charge particles but we question attraction due to gravity.

We say we do not understand gravity or what causes gravity or attraction. Isn't the attraction due to gravity similar to the attraction or repulsion between charged bodies.

I am aware attraction/repulsion due to charge is due to quarks which too are also charge particles.
 
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rajeshmarndi said:
Why we don't question attraction of a positive and negative charge particles but we question attraction due to gravity.
what makes you think we don't? There are theories of electro-magnetic force just as there are theories of gravity.

We say we do not understand gravity or what causes gravity or attraction. Isn't the attraction due to gravity similar to the attraction or repulsion between charged bodies.

I am aware attraction/repulsion due to charge is due to quarks which too are also charge particles.
 
rajeshmarndi said:
We say we do not understand gravity or what causes gravity or attraction. Isn't the attraction due to gravity similar to the attraction or repulsion between charged bodies.

Similar, but not exactly the same. For example, gravity only has one "charge", whereas the EM force has two charges. This causes all objects to attract each other via gravity whereas charged objects will repel or attract each other based on their mutual charges.

I am aware attraction/repulsion due to charge is due to quarks which too are also charge particles.

That's only true for particles that are made up of quarks. Leptons, which includes particles such as the electron and muon, are not made of quarks and are still electrically charged.
 
rajeshmarndi said:
We say we do not understand gravity or what causes gravity or attraction.

Have you heard of a theory called "general relativity"?

Isn't the attraction due to gravity similar to the attraction or repulsion between charged bodies.

No, it's not, except as an approximation. (a very good approximation under "everyday" circumstances)
 
Electrical charge is due to charge characteristic of a particle and fundamentally attract or repel. So, is gravity also some characteristic of particles or it is just due to the curvature of space created by particles/matter.
 
rajeshmarndi said:
So, is gravity also some characteristic of particles or it is just due to the curvature of space created by particles/matter.
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Drakkith said:
Similar, but not exactly the same. For example, gravity only has one "charge", whereas the EM force has two charges. This causes all objects to attract each other via gravity whereas charged objects will repel or attract each other based on their mutual charges.



That's only true for particles that are made up of quarks. Leptons, which includes particles such as the electron and muon, are not made of quarks and are still electrically charged.

That is true

This causes all objects to attract each other via gravity
but not always.
Two bodies can get away from each other, due to gravity only.
For example,

If we have a stone ball and a helium spherical balloon and they have the same diameter.
And they are surrounded with heavier fluid than Helium.
Air for example.
And let there be only this two bodies and the fluid around them. No other masses.
Due to Gravity, Helium balloon will not get closer to the stone ball, but exactly the opposite -
it will fly away.

Something like this
 
Gravitational attraction is on the order of 10^37 times weaker than electrostatic attraction.
Both are inverse square laws.
 

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