What are the conditions of a ideal Stefan-Boltzmann gas?

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The discussion revolves around the conditions necessary for an ideal Stefan-Boltzmann gas, including its equation of state (EoS) and the implications of particle mass and interactions. Participants explore theoretical aspects and potential applications, particularly in the context of relativistic gases and quark-gluon plasma (QGP).

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  • One participant inquires about the conditions and EoS for an ideal Stefan-Boltzmann gas.
  • Another participant states that weakly interacting or non-interacting particles are required for an ideal gas, referencing the ideal gas law.
  • A different participant presents an equation relating pressure and energy density, questioning its compatibility with the ideal gas law and the implications of particle mass.
  • Discussion includes the notion that a relativistic gas, such as photons, may fit the description of a Stefan-Boltzmann gas, with specific equations for pressure and energy density provided.
  • Concerns are raised about the applicability of the ideal gas approximation to QGP and hadron gases, given the non-negligible masses of certain particles.
  • Another participant suggests that as temperature exceeds mass, particles can still be considered relativistic, and notes that weak interactions may be a reason for the QGP being viewed more as a fluid than an ideal gas.

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Participants express differing views on the conditions for an ideal Stefan-Boltzmann gas, particularly regarding the significance of particle mass and interactions. There is no consensus on whether the ideal gas approximation is valid for QGP and hadron gases.

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Limitations include the dependence on definitions of ideal gases and relativistic conditions, as well as unresolved aspects regarding the applicability of the ideal gas law to specific particle systems.

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Does anybody know the conditions of a ideal Stefan Boltzmann gas? And the EoS?
thanks a lot
florian
 
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weakly interacting or non-interacting particles are required for the ideal gas. The equation of state for an ideal gas is the ideal gas law:

[tex]P=\rho k T[/tex]
 
I found something like
p = [tex]\epsilon/3[/tex]
[tex]\epsilon = \pi^2gT^4[/tex]/30
... is this compatible to your equation?
... is the Stefan-Boltzmann gas the normal ideal gas, or is there an additional condition?
... what is with the mass of the particles? is there any condition to them?
thanks for the responds
regards
florian
 
If you mean a relativistic gas such as photons, which always travel at the speed of light, then you are on the right track.

[tex]P = \frac{1}{3}\epsilon[/tex]
where the energy density is [tex]\epsilon[/tex]. This is the "Equation of state" for a relativistic gas.

and the energy density is [tex]\epsilon=aT^{4}[/tex] where a is called the radiation constant [tex]a=\frac{4\sigma}{c}[/tex].

The mass could, I suppose be anything, as long as the particles are moving relativistically, although the most common thing we talk about are photons, which are of course massless.
I've personally never heard the term Stephan-Boltzmann gas, there is the Stephan-Boltzmann law though. I think you are talking about a relativistic gas?
 
yes i think so too :-)... and which are the conditions? because it is still an ideal gas and not real:
1. I guess no interaction is a condition
2. probably the particles have to be massless...
but my problem is the following: In the books they use this approximation to describe a QGP (quark gluon plasma) or a gas of hadrons... and for both I can't see why the masses should be negligible... in the case of QGP there are the s quark with a mass of 300MeV (u and d are negligible) and in the case of hadrons (approximated as pion gas) I have a mass of 140MeV and the temperature is about 160MeV...
regards
florain
 
As T > Mass, the particles are certainly relativistic, even if they have mass. Massless particles are just guaranteed to be relativistic. Weak interactions are needed for the ideal gas, probably why the QGP is now thought of more as a fluid than an ideal gas. Dunno, anyone else know more about this?
 

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