What are the cyclic subgroups of U(30)?

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The problem involves identifying the cyclic subgroups of the group U(30), which consists of the integers less than 30 that are coprime to 30. The original poster attempts to list the generators of U(30) and expresses uncertainty about how to determine which elements serve as generators.

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  • Participants discuss the nature of generators in cyclic groups and explore the implications of different spacings in generating elements. There is a suggestion to investigate various possibilities to identify patterns in the generators.

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The discussion is ongoing, with some participants questioning the original poster's understanding of generators and the identity element. There is a recognition of misunderstandings regarding the role of 1 as a generator, and participants are exploring the definitions and properties of cyclic groups.

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There is mention of a textbook providing a list of generators, which may influence the understanding of the problem. The discussion also reflects a potential confusion between additive and multiplicative notation in group theory.

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Homework Statement



List the cyclic subgroups of U(30)

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In order to list the cyclic subgroups for U(30) , you need to lists the generators of U(30)

U(30)={1,7,11,13,17,19,23,29} . all the elements of U(30) are not generaters. in order to determine if an element is a generator of U(30) , you need to know that a^k =gcd(n,k)=

So 1 is is automatically a generator. I don't know how to determined how the rest of the elements are generators. Just to show that I'm not trying to learn how to determine the generators of U(30) and not trying to con someone into doing my homework, my textbook says the generators for U(30) are 1,7,27,19, 29
 
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Imagine the cyclic group on a circle -- so they're actually cyclic. Generators are a certain spacing such that you get to every number before you go back to the beginning. As you've noted, a spacing of 1 is always possible. How about 2? It would go: 1, 3, 5 ... 29, 1, 3, ... so it would miss out the even numbers. 3? 1, 4, 7 ... 28, 1, 4, ... so it also misses things out. Try all the possibilities -- it shouldn't take that long, and you should spot a pattern pretty soon. Try making a conjecture about what's happening. Try proving it.
 
There are many misunderstandings here. 1 is not a generator of U(30). It is the identity element, so it can't generate. What the generators of U(30) are is immaterial. A cyclic subgroup is something generated by a single element. So what group does 1 generate, 2, 3, etc?
 
matt grime said:
There are many misunderstandings here. 1 is not a generator of U(30). It is the identity element, so it can't generate. What the generators of U(30) are is immaterial. A cyclic subgroup is something generated by a single element. So what group does 1 generate, 2, 3, etc?

My bad -- I was assuming an additive notation, with zero as the identity.
 

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