What are the differences between single supply and dual supply op amps?

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The discussion revolves around the differences between single supply and dual supply operational amplifiers (op amps), exploring their configurations, performance characteristics, and implications for circuit design. Participants examine theoretical and practical aspects, including voltage levels, ground references, and the concept of rail-to-rail operation.

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  • One participant questions the fundamental difference between single supply and dual supply op amps, noting that op amps do not have a ground pin and should theoretically operate regardless of the supply configuration.
  • Another participant asserts that dual supply op amps cannot operate near the rails, while single supply op amps can approach the lower rail, emphasizing the necessity of dual supply for dual supply types.
  • A participant points out that all rail-to-rail op amps are single supply, while providing examples of specific op amp models that illustrate this distinction.
  • One contributor expresses a preference for rail-to-rail op amps, indicating that the choice between single and dual supply is not critical as long as the circuit is appropriately configured.
  • Another participant elaborates on the importance of having a low impedance "signal ground" for analog signals, suggesting that this is crucial for real-world applications, especially with high impedance or high frequency signals.
  • The concept of rail-to-rail operation is discussed as a method to maximize signal output within low supply voltage systems, highlighting its relevance to noise immunity in digital logic.

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Participants express differing views on the operational characteristics and requirements of single supply versus dual supply op amps. There is no consensus on the implications of these differences, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best practices for their use in circuit design.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various op amp models and their specifications, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of "rail-to-rail" and the practical implications of supply configurations on performance.

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I did a bit of searching and I don't get it. What is really the difference between single supply and dual supply op amps?

Voltages are just a potential difference. Op amps usually do not have a ground pin so they should have no idea if I am connecting +-15 V or +30V,0V it should still drive the output such that the difference between the inputs is minimal.

I understand that you want to keep the input and output voltages close to the mid point of the rails, so the transistors are in their sweet spot. But how can the op amp help with that?

And maybe there are issues with power supply/common mode rejection, but if I buy a single supply or a dual supply device what is different in the device that I get (except for the labelling of the pins)?

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I had an idea. Is a single supply op amp just a rail-to-rail amplifier that can go to the lower rail, but not necessarily to the upper rail?
 
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Dual supply op-amps can't go near any of the rails but single supply op-amps can go very near to the lower rail. And in dual supply types you NEED dual supply because it needs +, - and GND supply.
You can look up the datasheet of each type of op-amps to confirm.
 
When I select op amps at linear technology all rail to rail op amps are also single supply op amps.

LT1006 is single supply but not rail to rail, and can only go to ground I suppose

LT1001 is dual supply but doesn't have a ground pin same for LT1007, and LT1008

So far my guess seems right
 
I have used both in both configs. I typically prefer rail to rail op-amps and don't really care if they are single or dual supply or whatever. The circuit can be configured to fit.
 
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Voltages are just a potential difference. Op amps usually do not have a ground pin so they should have no idea if I am connecting +-15 V or +30V,0V it should still drive the output such that the difference between the inputs is minimal.

That's correct so far as it goes. But if you are working with analog signals, you probably need a low impedance "signal ground" connection at the signal's "zero" level, and for symmetrical signals that is half way between the + and - supply voltages.

This won't show up in a computer simulation unless you are simulating noise immunity etc, but it will show up in real life, especailly with high impedance and/or high frequency signals.

"Rail to rail" is a different issue - basically, it's a way of squeezing a more signal (either analog or digital) out of a system with a low supply voltage. If your op amp supply is 5V and the output can only swing between 1V and 4V, that takes a big chunk out of the noise immunity of CMOS logic for example, where the specificaiton for logic 0 and logic 1 voltages is "less than 1.67V" and "greater than 3.33V".
 

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