What are the Different Types of Events in Probability Theory?

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The discussion revolves around the different types of events in probability theory, specifically focusing on 'Equally Likely Events', 'Mutually Exclusive Events', 'Exhaustive Events', and the distinction between independent and mutually exclusive events. Participants seek clarification and examples to better understand these concepts.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants explain that equally likely events have the same probability, using examples like coin tosses and dice rolls.
  • Mutually exclusive events are defined as events that cannot occur simultaneously, with examples provided from dice outcomes.
  • Exhaustive events cover all possible outcomes, illustrated by listing all possible results of a die roll.
  • Independent events are described as those where the occurrence of one does not affect the probability of the other, with examples involving multiple dice.
  • There is a question raised about whether independent events can also be mutually exclusive, leading to further exploration of the definitions and implications of these terms.
  • Participants discuss the implications of events being mutually exclusive and independent, noting that mutually exclusive events cannot be independent unless one has a probability of zero.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the concept of a null event and its relation to subsets of sample spaces, with some uncertainty expressed about the definitions involved.
  • Examples are provided to illustrate the difference between disjointness and independence, particularly in the context of rolling a die.
  • A participant introduces the idea that an event can have a probability of zero without being the empty set, using the example of hitting a specific number on the real line when throwing a dart.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of understanding and confusion regarding the definitions and relationships between different types of events. While some points are clarified, there remains uncertainty and debate, particularly around the relationship between independent and mutually exclusive events.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations in the discussion include the dependence on specific definitions of events and the potential for differing interpretations of terms like "null event" and "measure zero." The discussion also highlights the complexity of distinguishing between types of events in various contexts.

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I never understand the difference between 'Equally Likely Events', 'Mutually Exclusive Events' and 'Exhaustive events'. I also get confused in calling an event to be of more than one type.

I would be grateful if someone explains it clearly giving examples.
 
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Equally likely means, that the probability for each event is the same. For example, if you throw a coin, probability for either side is 50%. If you throw a die, the probability for any outcome is 1/6.

Mutually exclusive means, that if one event occurs, the other cannot. For example, throwing a die, "the number is even" and "the number is odd" are mutually exclusive events: if it is even it is not odd, and if it is odd it is not even. "The number is 5 or 6" and "the number is less than 5" are also mutually exclusive. "The number is 5 or 6" and "the number is even" are not mutually exclusive, because if it is 6, then it is both.

Exhaustive events means that the events cover all possibilities.
For example "the number is 1", "the number is 2", "the number is 3", "the number is 4", "the number is 5" and "the number is 6" is a list of exhaustive events for throwing a die: if you throw a die, you know that one of them will occur.

In fact the events of the last example are equally likely (the probability for all of them is the same, namely 1/6), they are mutually exclusive (if one of them happens, neither of the other ones happens) and they are exhaustive (at least one of them will happen).
 
Thanks a lot CompuChip. You explained it in a very simple language.
 
@CompuChip

I forgot to mention one more question in O.P.
What is the basic difference between independent and mutually exclusive events? Can they be equal in any case?
 
Independent means, that the probability of one event does not depend on the other.
For example, if you throw two dice the probability of gettings a 6 on either of them is independent of the probability of getting a 6 on another. So the event "getting 6 on the first die" and the event "getting heads on the second die" are independent.
To contract, the events "getting 6 on the first die" and "throwing a total of 10" are not independent, because the probability of the second event happening depends on whether the first one happens or not.
 
CompuChip said:
To contract, the events "getting 6 on the first die" and "throwing a total of 10" are not independent, because the probability of the second event happening depends on whether the first one happens or not.

Is it that in this case they are dependent and non-mutually exclusive events?
Is there any case where two events are independent as well as mutually exclusive?
 
Think about it AQ:

P(A/\B)=P(A)P(B) , if/when A,B are independent. What if A,B are mutually-exclusive?
 
If A and B are mutually exclusive then P(A/\B) = 0
So mutually exclusive events can never be independent except when probability of one of them is 0. Is it correct?
 
Precisely, tho, at least in the discrete case, I believe if P(E)=0 for some event E,
then E would not be in the sample space.
 
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A null event is a subset of every sample space, as far as I know.
 
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Well, this may be an issue of technicalities, but I don't know if a null event refers
to any subset with probability zero. I am not clear on how the null event is defined
in general. I imagine it may be defined as having no outcome in our experiment/observation,
but I am not sure.
I don't think we would, say, include the outcome of rolling a 7 when we roll a standard
die.

But yes, technically, you are correct, as the empty set is a subset of every set.
Still, there is a qualitative difference between events of measure zero in continuous
sample spaces , e.g., selecting a number at random in the unit interval vs. rolling
a die once.

Maybe a good illustration of disjointness vs. independence would be this: we have
a standard die, with even-numbered sides colored red, odd-numberscolored blue.

Then we roll the die : what is the probability that the die landed in the number 6,
if we know the die landed in a blue face?.
 
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Just wanted to follow up with something: an event may have probability zero
without being the empty set; I thought about it when reading another post.

Specifically, think of the case of throwing a dart to hit the real line. Then
the event of hitting a rational number (or, for that matter, the event of
hitting anyone specific number on the real line) is 0, but it is part of the
sample space.

Sorry to bother with this, but I thought it may help clarify some points; it did
so for me.
 

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