What are the effects of gyromotion on changing magnetic fields?

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The discussion centers around the effects of gyromotion on changing magnetic fields, particularly in the context of an electron beam injected perpendicular to a magnetic field and a magnet entering a coil. Participants explore the implications of Lorentz force, gyroradius, and induced currents in relation to magnetic field strength changes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes how an electron beam experiences Lorentz force, leading to gyromotion and questions whether this results in oscillation of the magnetic field strength.
  • Another participant suggests that there would be some equilibrium and proposes calculating the magnetic field due to the current of the electron beam to compare it with the external field.
  • There is mention of Lenz's law in the context of a magnet moving into a coil, indicating that the induced current would produce a magnetic field opposing the change in magnetic flux.
  • Participants express uncertainty about whether the magnetic field strength remains zero, drops to a constant value, or oscillates as the magnet moves into the coil.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus, as multiple competing views and uncertainties about the behavior of the magnetic field and induced currents remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge potential assumptions and the need for further calculations to clarify the relationships between the magnetic fields and induced currents.

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Hello,

I am stuck with this problem:
An electron beam is injected perpendicular to a magnetic field. The electrons feel Lorentz force and start to revolve. This movement reduces the magnetic field, therefore the gyroradius gets higher, which in turn increases the magnetic field again. So the electrons again get closer, and they keep oscillating. This seems wrong. I have probably made a wrong assumption.

This also applies to a magnet entering a coil. As the magnetic field strength increases inside the coil, a current is driven "resisting" the increment. So does the field strength remain zero (the magnet is still moving), drop to a constant value, or oscillate like I mentioned above?

Thank you.
 
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TESL@ said:
Hello,

I am stuck with this problem:
An electron beam is injected perpendicular to a magnetic field. The electrons feel Lorentz force and start to revolve. This movement reduces the magnetic field, therefore the gyroradius gets higher, which in turn increases the magnetic field again. So the electrons again get closer, and they keep oscillating. This seems wrong. I have probably made a wrong assumption.
There would be some equilibrium. An electric current produces it's own magnetic field. One could calculate a magnetic field due the current of an electron beam and compare the induced field with the applied/imposed external field.

This also applies to a magnet entering a coil. As the magnetic field strength increases inside the coil, a current is driven "resisting" the increment. So does the field strength remain zero (the magnet is still moving), drop to a constant value, or oscillate like I mentioned above?

Thank you.
Lenz's law applies to a magnet moving into a coil (solenoid). There would be backward emf, or counter emf due to the magnetic field of the solenoid current.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/farlaw.html#c2
When an emf is generated by a change in magnetic flux according to Faraday's Law, the polarity of the induced emf is such that it produces a current whose magnetic field opposes the change which produces it.
 
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