What Are the Force Components and Radial Acceleration in a Conical Pendulum?

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The discussion revolves around a conical pendulum problem involving a 78.0 kg bob attached to a 10.0 m wire, making an angle of 5.00° with the vertical. Participants are tasked with determining the horizontal and vertical components of the force exerted by the wire and the radial acceleration of the bob.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of the vertical component of the force and the tension in the wire. There is an exploration of how to find the horizontal component of the force and the radial acceleration, with some questioning the necessity of certain formulas and relationships.

Discussion Status

Several participants have provided calculations and insights regarding the tension and components of the forces. There is recognition of potential errors in previous calculations, and some participants suggest different approaches to finding the horizontal component of the tension force. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to clarify misunderstandings and refine calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of the problem statement and are attempting to reconcile their calculations with the expected results. There is an ongoing examination of the relationships between tension, force components, and acceleration without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Homework Statement



Consider a conical pendulum with a 78.0 kg bob on a 10.0 m wire making an angle of θ = 5.00° with the vertical. (Consider positive i to be towards the center of the circular path.)

(a) Determine the horizontal and vertical components of the force exerted by the wire on the pendulum.
________N i + _________N j


(b) What is the radial acceleration of the bob?
________m/s^2


Homework Equations



a = v^2 / R


The Attempt at a Solution



I found the vertical component of the force:
[tex]\Sigma[/tex]Fy = Tcos(5) - 78(9.8)

T = 78(9.8)/Cos(5)

T = 761.491 N

To find the horizontal component wouldn't you need to find the acceleration(part b) first?

I used the following to find the velocity:

[tex]\Sigma[/tex]F(radial) = -Tsin(5) = -m(v^2 / R)

v^2 = R*Tsin(5) / m

using trig and the given 10m wire length i found the radius to be .871557m

v^2 = .871557(761.491)(sin(5)) / 78

v = 7.60551 m/s

Then i plugged that into the acceleration equation given in the relevant equations section but it was 66.3683 m/s^2 which does not sound reasonable for this problem.

Any suggestions on what i did wrong?
 
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Going back to v^2 = R*Tsin(5) / m

to find angular acceleration, one simply takes v2/r = T sin(5)/m

or 762 N * (0.08716) / 78 kg = __________
 
Ok, I found the acceleration to be .851m/s^2. Now, to find the horizontal component of the force i would set that acceleration equal to T*Sin(5)?

Tsin(5) = a
T = .851 / sin(5)
T = 9.764 N ?
 
The tension was correctly calculated.

With a = v2/r = T sin(5)/m

one obtains 762 N * (0.08716) / 78 kg = 66.42 N/ 78 kg = 0.85 m/s2

I think in the OP, one simply forgot to divide by 78.
 
I entered 9.764 N for the horizontal component of the tension force and it said it was incorrect.
 
Tsin(5) = a
is not correct. T is a force, a is an acceleration. There has to be a mass associated with a.

Let T = 762 N and the horizontal force is T sin(5).
 
pcandrepair said:
I entered 9.764 N for the horizontal component of the tension force and it said it was incorrect.
You calculated the tension correctly in your first post. Just find the horizontal component of that, since you have the angle.

You don't need to use the centripetal acceleration formula for this problem.
 
so, the horizontal component of 761.491 N would be sin(5)*761.491 which equals 66.3683 N
 
pcandrepair said:
so, the horizontal component of 761.491 N would be sin(5)*761.491 which equals 66.3683 N
Yes.
 
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Alright, I get it now. Thanks for your help Astronuc and Doc Al!
 

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