ducnguyen2000
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Just wondering.
The discussion revolves around the atomic structures that differentiate metals from nonmetals, exploring the underlying principles that contribute to these classifications. Participants examine both atomic and chemical properties, as well as the implications of various models and definitions in different contexts, including astrophysics and condensed matter physics.
Participants express multiple competing views regarding the definitions and characteristics of metals and nonmetals. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus on the key atomic structures that define these categories.
Participants highlight the complexity of defining metals and nonmetals, noting that definitions can vary significantly between fields such as chemistry and astrophysics. The discussion also touches on the limitations of relying solely on atomic properties to determine the behavior of solids.
This discussion may be of interest to those studying chemistry, physics, materials science, and condensed matter physics, particularly in understanding the nuances of atomic structure and its implications for material properties.
Chemical properties is synomymous with atomic structure.ducnguyen2000 said:What I was asking for was not the chemical properties that makes an atom metal or non-metal, but the structure of the atom that causes these properties.
sirchasm said:Also, you can sort of map (there is a symmetry) between the concept of pure and mixed states in some ensemble - quantum or at the classical limit - to where a gas and a solid state are extremal as vertices in a graph, so all liquids are 'in-between' or mixed states of ensembles.
Any ensemble that is large enough (so approaches a significant fraction of Avogadro's N, of discrete 'states') exhibits 'metallicity', or the corresponding extremal state, or one that's a mixture.
Classical reality evolves from states that superpose, either at extreme vertices, or in between them.
sirchasm said:If I'm not horribly confused about it, cosmologists (astrophysicists) classify anything heavier than He as a metal, since H and He are 'primordial', when it comes to star formation, and stars make 'metals'
"Scientific topics" include the definition of a metal. Astrophysics is a science, therefore the term has more meaning than strictly the chemical one.Mapes said:I can't imagine what scientific topics you might be referring to.
sirchasm said:"Scientific topics" include the definition of a metal. Astrophysics is a science, therefore the term has more meaning than strictly the chemical one.
sirchasm said:Also, you can sort of map (there is a symmetry) between the concept of pure and mixed states in some ensemble - quantum or at the classical limit - to where a gas and a solid state are extremal as vertices in a graph, so all liquids are 'in-between' or mixed states of ensembles.
Any ensemble that is large enough (so approaches a significant fraction of Avogadro's N, of discrete 'states') exhibits 'metallicity', or the corresponding extremal state, or one that's a mixture. Classical reality evolves from states that superpose, either at extreme vertices, or in between them.