What are the operative slip systems in hcp metals?

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The discussion revolves around the operative slip systems in hexagonal close-packed (hcp) metals, focusing on the identification and classification of slip systems, particularly the {001}<100> system. Participants explore the differences between 3-index and 4-index notation, the equivalence of directions in hcp, and the implications of symmetry in slip systems.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the number of slip systems in hcp metals, suggesting there should be only two based on their calculations of slip directions.
  • Another participant clarifies that {001}<100> is typically associated with cubic systems and discusses the different types of planes in hcp, including basal, prismatic, and pyramidal planes.
  • Participants discuss the equivalence of directions in hcp and how to identify which belong to the same family, with some noting that changing the order or sign of indices can yield equivalent directions.
  • There is mention of inversion symmetry in hcp systems, which reduces the number of distinct directions from six to three.
  • Some participants question why certain directions, such as [110], are considered part of the same family as [100] and [010], leading to further exploration of the symmetry properties of hexagonal structures.
  • Mathematical transformations and rotations are discussed, with participants attempting to understand how rotating vectors in the crystal structure relates to the identification of slip directions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the exact number of slip systems or the classification of directions within the <100> family in hcp metals. Multiple competing views and interpretations remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of identifying slip systems due to the dependence on crystal symmetry and the notation used. There are unresolved questions regarding the equivalence of directions and the implications of symmetry in hcp structures.

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Hello,

I'm having looots of trouble trying to find out the operative slip systems of hcp metals. the slip system is {001}<100> and in my notes it says that there are 3 slip systems and I don't see why! I'm guessing there's only one slip plane the (001) or (0001), and three directions. But the three directions I'm calculating are [100]. [010] and [001], which in the 4-indices system are: [2 -1 -1 0], [-1 2 -1 0] and [0 0 0 1]. Is this correct?

If it is correct, then only the first two are contained in the (001) plane, so there should be only 2 SLIP SYSTEMS!

I'm lost!
 
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Yes, i know that for hco you usually use 4 indices, but you can also talk about 3, since these can converted into the 4-inices system! Eg: {001} is the same as {0001}. what i don't see is how do I know which directions are equivalente in hcp and therefore belong to the same family?

Regards.
 
The fourth index is only added (between the 2nd and 3rd) to make like planes look like.

(H K L) contains all the necessary information, but often (H K (-H-K) L) is written.

(1 0 0) would then become (1 0 -1 0).

(1 0 -1 0), (0 -1 1 0), (-1 1 0 0) are all in the same star, which is easy to see in the 4-index notation.

(1 1 -2 0) is in a different star with (-2 1 1 0), (1 -2 1 0).
 
M Quack said:
The fourth index is only added (between the 2nd and 3rd) to make like planes look like.

(H K L) contains all the necessary information, but often (H K (-H-K) L) is written.

(1 0 0) would then become (1 0 -1 0).

(1 0 -1 0), (0 -1 1 0), (-1 1 0 0) are all in the same star, which is easy to see in the 4-index notation.

(1 1 -2 0) is in a different star with (-2 1 1 0), (1 -2 1 0).

right, so basically if i change the order or sign of the indices, they still belong to the same family?

then why do [100], [010] and [110] (in the 3 indices system) belong to the same family in hcp??!? don't seee why [110] should belong to the same one as the other two!
 
Chemist20 said:
right, so basically if i change the order or sign of the indices, they still belong to the same family?

then why do [100], [010] and [110] (in the 3 indices system) belong to the same family in hcp??!? don't seee why [110] should belong to the same one as the other two!
[110], [101], [011] is a different system than [100], [010], [001]. Look at the number of zero indices, and nonzero indices.

In hcp, basal planes are {0001}, primary prism planes {10-10}, and pyramidal planes {10-11}. Another pyramidal plane is {11-21}
 
Yes, just remember that the c-axis (00L) or (000L) has a completely different symmetry.
For HCP, you can change the sign, but this is not true for all hexagonal crystal classes.

It is counter-intuitive because the two in-plane vectors a* and b* are not at right angles.

Just take a piece of paper, draw a hexagon and sketch the vectors. You will see.
 
Yeap I see. But i still don't know why in my book it says that the three directions in the <100> family in hcp metals are [100] [010] and [110]...
 
You actually get 6 directions corresponding to the 6 corners of the hexagon. But HCP systems have inversion symmetry, so (110) is the same as (-1 -1 0) and this reduces to just 3 directions.
 
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M Quack said:
You actually get 6 directions corresponding to the 6 corners of the hexagon. But HCP systems have inversion symmetry, so (110) is the same as (-1 -1 0) and this reduces to just 3 directions.

I'm lost.. can you explain please?
 
  • #11
(1 1 0) you are looking at the top of the plane, (-1 -1 0) you are looking at the bottom of the plane.

If the plane is a symmetry plane, then that makes no difference. This is the case in HCP metals.

In lower symmetry systems that might make a difference - say above the plane there are OH groups attached, and below F ions.
 
  • #12
M Quack said:
(1 1 0) you are looking at the top of the plane, (-1 -1 0) you are looking at the bottom of the plane.

If the plane is a symmetry plane, then that makes no difference. This is the case in HCP metals.

In lower symmetry systems that might make a difference - say above the plane there are OH groups attached, and below F ions.

Yes, I do understand that. But why is the -1 -1 0 direction in the same family as 1 0 0 for hcp? That's what I don't get...
 
  • #13
The defining feature of all hexagonal crystal structures is a 3-fold rotation axis along c, i.e. if you rotate the whole crystal by 120 deg about the c-axis you end up with the same crystal structure.

If you rotate (1 0 0) by 120 deg, you get (0 1 0).
If you rotate (0 1 0) by 120 deg, what do you get?
 
  • #14
m quack said:
the defining feature of all hexagonal crystal structures is a 3-fold rotation axis along c, i.e. If you rotate the whole crystal by 120 deg about the c-axis you end up with the same crystal structure.

If you rotate (1 0 0) by 120 deg, you get (0 1 0).
If you rotate (0 1 0) by 120 deg, what do you get?

( 0 0 1) ?
 
  • #15
Nope. Try again :-)

(0 0 1) is the c-axis. You are rotating about the c-axis. How can any vector perpendicular to the axis or rotation become parallel to it?!?
 
  • #16
M Quack said:
Nope. Try again :-)

(0 0 1) is the c-axis. You are rotating about the c-axis. How can any vector perpendicular to the axis or rotation become parallel to it?!?

woops okay. so I am guessing the answer is 110 but i don't know why.!
 
  • #17
Oh well.. :-)

Let \vec{a}=\left(\begin{array}{c}0\\ 0\\1 \end{array} \right)

Let C_3 = \left( \begin{array}{ccc} c &amp; -s &amp; 0 \\ s &amp; c &amp; 0\\ 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 1 \end{array} \right)

With s=sin(120 deg) and c= cos(120 deg).

Calculate \vec{b} = C_3 \vec{a} and \vec{d} = C_3 \vec{b}

Write d as linear combination of a and b.

Show C_3^3 =1 and C_3 c = c with c=(0 0 1)
 

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