What are the oscillation modes in low-gravity capillary-dominated flow?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the oscillation modes in low-gravity capillary-dominated flow, particularly in the context of a liquid resting in a rectangular 2D channel. Participants explore the implications of a velocity potential and its relation to oscillation modes, while drawing analogies to other physical systems like vibrating strings.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant introduces the concept of oscillation modes as related to the velocity potential ##\hat u = \nabla \phi## and questions whether these modes can be represented simply as ##\vec u \cdot \hat n|_\Gamma##.
  • Another participant suggests that oscillation modes might be better understood through the analogy of standing waves in a vibrating string, indicating a potential confusion regarding the representation of modes.
  • A clue is provided that relates the term ##\vec u \cdot \hat n|_\Gamma## to the jump mass balance across a dividing surface, linking it to the dynamics of the interfacial fluid.
  • Discussion includes references to specific texts, such as "Low Gravity Fluid Mechanics" by Myshkis et al. and "Interfacial Transport Phenomena" by Slattery, indicating varying sources of insight among participants.
  • Participants express interest in elaborating on the velocity component normal to the free surface and its role in the overall dynamics of the fluid interface.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying interpretations of oscillation modes and their representation, with no clear consensus reached on the definitions or implications of these terms. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the relationship between the velocity potential and oscillation modes.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of missing assumptions regarding the definitions of terms used, and the discussion reflects a dependence on specific texts that may not be universally accessible to all participants. The complexity of the jump mass balance and its implications for mode decomposition is also noted but not fully resolved.

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Hi PF!

I am solving a problem for low-gravity capillary-dominated flow, where liquid rests in a rectangular (2D) channel. The text I'm reading introduces a velocity potential ##\hat u = \nabla \phi##, and then states that each oscillation mode is ##\partial_n\phi|_\Gamma = \nabla \phi \cdot \hat n|_\Gamma = \vec u \cdot \hat n|_\Gamma## where ##\Gamma## is the meniscus surface. So oscillation modes are simply ##\vec u \cdot \hat n|_\Gamma##? I'm a little confused.

I'm thinking of a vibrating string, where modes are characterized by standing waves, which makes me think position, rather than normal components of velocity. Can someone explain this to me please?
 
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joshmccraney said:
Hi PF!

I am solving a problem for low-gravity capillary-dominated flow, where liquid rests in a rectangular (2D) channel. The text I'm reading introduces a velocity potential ##\hat u = \nabla \phi##, and then states that each oscillation mode is ##\partial_n\phi|_\Gamma = \nabla \phi \cdot \hat n|_\Gamma = \vec u \cdot \hat n|_\Gamma## where ##\Gamma## is the meniscus surface. So oscillation modes are simply ##\vec u \cdot \hat n|_\Gamma##? I'm a little confused.

What text are you reading? I have a good reference in my office (Slattery's Interfacial Transport Phenomena) that may have some insight.
 
Andy Resnick said:
What text are you reading? I have a good reference in my office (Slattery's Interfacial Transport Phenomena) that may have some insight.
I'm reading Low Gravity Fluid Mechanics by Myshkis et al. 1976.
 
joshmccraney said:
Hi PF!

I am solving a problem for low-gravity capillary-dominated flow, where liquid rests in a rectangular (2D) channel. The text I'm reading introduces a velocity potential ##\hat u = \nabla \phi##, and then states that each oscillation mode is ##\partial_n\phi|_\Gamma = \nabla \phi \cdot \hat n|_\Gamma = \vec u \cdot \hat n|_\Gamma## where ##\Gamma## is the meniscus surface. So oscillation modes are simply ##\vec u \cdot \hat n|_\Gamma##? I'm a little confused.

I'm thinking of a vibrating string, where modes are characterized by standing waves, which makes me think position, rather than normal components of velocity. Can someone explain this to me please?

A clue: ##\vec u \cdot \hat n|_\Gamma## is the jump mass balance across a dividing surface; this term is associated with the speed of the dividing surface and there is a corresponding term like ##( \vec v - \vec u)(\vec v \cdot \vec n - \vec u \cdot \vec n)## in the jump momentum balance equation. I couldn't figure out how mode decomposition figures into this, tho.
 
joshmccraney said:
I'm reading Low Gravity Fluid Mechanics by Myshkis et al. 1976.

Huh... when I was a grad student, I had the good fortune to work with Lev Slobozhanin for a couple of years.
 
Andy Resnick said:
Huh... when I was a grad student, I had the good fortune to work with Lev Slobozhanin for a couple of years.
I'm unfamiliar with him (or her). I google searched them though, and it seems they're pretty on top of capillary phenomena. Thanks for your tip too.
Andy Resnick said:
A clue: ##\vec u \cdot \hat n|_\Gamma## is the jump mass balance across a dividing surface
Could you elaborate here? I just thought of it as the velocity component normal to the free surface.
 
joshmccraney said:
Could you elaborate here? I just thought of it as the velocity component normal to the free surface.

Lev is definitely a 'him'.

That velocity term is part of the total term representing a parcel of moving interfacial fluid- the particle can move, but the interface itself can move as well:

https://books.google.com/books?id=V...AEIKTAA#v=onepage&q=jump mass balance&f=false

When there is surface tension, the jump momentum balance incorporates local interfacial curvature (pressure jump):

http://herve.lemonnier.sci.free.fr/TPF/NE/03-Slides.pdf
 

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