What Are the Roots of the Equation ##z^4-2z^3+12z^2-14z+35=0##?

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The problem involves finding the roots of the polynomial equation ##z^4-2z^3+12z^2-14z+35=0##, given that one root has a real component equal to 1. Participants are exploring the implications of this information to identify the other solutions.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the assumption that the roots can be expressed in the form ##z = 1 \pm bi## and attempt to factor the polynomial accordingly. There are attempts to divide the original polynomial by derived factors, leading to questions about the correctness of the calculations and the resulting expressions.

Discussion Status

Multiple participants are engaged in examining the calculations and interpretations of the polynomial's factors. Some have pointed out potential errors in the reasoning and calculations presented, while others suggest alternative approaches to rewriting the factors. There is no explicit consensus on the correct method or outcome yet.

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Participants note discrepancies between their findings and the solutions provided in a reference book, indicating a potential misunderstanding or miscalculation in the problem-solving process. The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored.

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The problem
The following equation ##z^4-2z^3+12z^2-14z+35=0## has a root with the real component = 1. What are the other solutions?

The attempt
This means that solutions are ##z = 1 \pm bi##and the factors are ##(z-(1-bi))(z-(1+bi)) ## and thus ## (z-(1-bi))(z-(1+bi)) = z^2-z(1+bi)-z(1-bi)+(1-bi)(1+bi) = \\ = z^2 -z -zbi -z +zbi + 2 = z^2-2z+2 ##.

I tried to divide ##z^4-2z^3+12z^2-14z+35## with ## z^2-2z+2## but I get the quotient ##z^2 + 10## and rest ##6z + 15##

I have also tried to solve ##z^2-2z+2 = 0## and got ## z=1 \pm i ##, thus ## b = \pm 1 ##. But that is wrong according to key in my book.

Please help :,(
 
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Rectifier said:
The problem
The following equation ##z^4-2z^3+12z^2-14z+35=0## has a root with the real component = 1. What are the other solutions?

The attempt
This means that solutions are ##z = 1 \pm bi##and the factors are ##(z-(1-bi))(z-(1+bi)) ## and thus ## (z-(1-bi))(z-(1+bi)) = z^2-z(1+bi)-z(1-bi)+(1-bi)(1+bi) = \\ = z^2 -z -zbi -z +zbi + 2 = z^2-2z+2 ##.

I tried to divide ##z^4-2z^3+12z^2-14z+35## with ## z^2-2z+2## but I get the quotient ##z^2 + 10## and rest ##6z + 15##

I have also tried to solve ##z^2-2z+2 = 0## and got ## z=1 \pm i ##, thus ## b = \pm 1 ##. But that is wrong according to key in my book.

Please help :,(
Substitute ##z = 1+i b## into the original equation. You will get a complex 4th degree polyomial in the new variable ##b##. Equating its real and imaginary parts to zero (assuming ##b## is real) you get two equations for ##b##, and one of them is easy to solve.
 
Rectifier said:
The problem
The following equation ##z^4-2z^3+12z^2-14z+35=0## has a root with the real component = 1. What are the other solutions?

The attempt
This means that solutions are ##z = 1 \pm bi##and the factors are ##(z-(1-bi))(z-(1+bi)) ## and thus ## (z-(1-bi))(z-(1+bi)) = z^2-z(1+bi)-z(1-bi)+(1-bi)(1+bi) = \\ = z^2 -z -zbi -z +zbi + 2 = z^2-2z+2 ##.
Your mistake is above. (1 + bi)(1 - bi) ≠ 2.
Rectifier said:
I tried to divide ##z^4-2z^3+12z^2-14z+35## with ## z^2-2z+2## but I get the quotient ##z^2 + 10## and rest ##6z + 15##

I have also tried to solve ##z^2-2z+2 = 0## and got ## z=1 \pm i ##, thus ## b = \pm 1 ##. But that is wrong according to key in my book.

Please help :,(
 
Rectifier said:
The problem
The following equation ##z^4-2z^3+12z^2-14z+35=0## has a root with the real component = 1. What are the other solutions?

The attempt
This means that solutions are ##z = 1 \pm bi##and the factors are ##(z-(1-bi))(z-(1+bi)) ## and thus ## (z-(1-bi))(z-(1+bi)) = z^2-z(1+bi)-z(1-bi)+(1-bi)(1+bi) = \\ = z^2 -z -zbi -z +zbi + 2 = z^2-2z+2 ##.

This is wrong. Try again.

Rectifier said:
I tried to divide ##z^4-2z^3+12z^2-14z+35## with ## z^2-2z+2## but I get the quotient ##z^2 + 10## and rest ##6z + 15##

I have also tried to solve ##z^2-2z+2 = 0## and got ## z=1 \pm i ##, thus ## b = \pm 1 ##. But that is wrong according to key in my book.

Please help :,(
Your method will work if you divide by the correct product of (z-1+bi)(z-1-bi). It must contain b!
 
It may help to rewrite (z−1+bi)(z−1−bi) as:
##\displaystyle \left((z-1)+bi \right)\left((z-1)-bi \right)\,, ##​
which is a sum times a difference, thus the difference of squares .
 

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