What are the smallest four positive solutions for 9cos(2t)=9cos2(t)-4?

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The problem involves solving the equation 9cos(2t) = 9cos²(t) - 4 for the smallest four positive solutions. The subject area pertains to trigonometric equations and identities.

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  • Participants discuss factoring and substitution methods, with one participant expressing uncertainty about their approach. There is a suggestion to use the double-angle identity for cosine, leading to further transformations of the equation. Questions arise regarding the correctness of the transformations and the handling of terms.

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The discussion is active, with participants exploring different methods to manipulate the equation. Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of trigonometric identities, and there is an ongoing examination of the implications of the transformations made. Multiple interpretations of the equation's structure are being considered.

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Participants note potential typos and clarify the structure of the original equation, which affects their calculations. There is also mention of the need to consider both positive and negative solutions for sine within the specified range.

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Homework Statement



9cos(2t)=9cos2(t)-4

for all the smallest four positive solutions

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



I've factored it and pulled out 9cos(t) and made that = u
so i have u2-2u-4
That factors to 3.23606 and -1.236

Next i added 9cos(t) back in. 9cos(t)=3.236 and 9cos(t)=-1.236
then solve for the values for the inverse cos-1(3.236/9) and cos-1(-1.236/9)



am i on the right track? I'm not entirely sure if I'm doing it correctly
 
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nickb145 said:

Homework Statement



9cos(2t)=9cos2(t)-4

for all the smallest four positive solutions

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



I've factored it and pulled out 9cos(t) and made that = u
so i have u2-2u-4
That factors to 3.23606 and -1.236

Next i added 9cos(t) back in. 9cos(t)=3.236 and 9cos(t)=-1.236
then solve for the values for the inverse cos-1(3.236/9) and cos-1(-1.236/9)



am i on the right track?
No. You are thinking the equation is quadratic in form - it isn't. Use the double-angle identity to rewrite cos(2t) in a different form.
nickb145 said:
I'm not entirely sure if I'm doing it correctly
 
Mark44 said:
No. You are thinking the equation is quadratic in form - it isn't. Use the double-angle identity to rewrite cos(2t) in a different form.

ak ok now i have 8cos2(t)-9sin2(t)+4

is this better?
 
nickb145 said:
ak ok now i have 8cos2(t)-9sin2(t)+4

is this better?

How did you get that??
 
Dick said:
How did you get that??

ok so i used the double angle formula cos(2t)=cos2(t)-sin2(t)
9(cos2(t)-sin2(t))=cos2(t)-4
distributed the 9 and 9cos2(t)-9sin2(t))=cos2(t)-4

then subtracted cos2 and added 4. 8cos2(t)-9sin2(t)+4

I'm not doing something right...
I'm thinking i need the half angle formula cos2=1+cos(2u)/2
 
whoops messed something up here
 
nickb145 said:
ok so i used the double angle formula cos(2t)=cos2(t)-sin2(t)
9(cos2(t)-sin2(t))=cos2(t)-4
distributed the 9 and 9cos2(t)-9sin2(t))=cos2(t)-4

then subtracted cos2 and added 4. 8cos2(t)-9sin2(t)+4

I'm not doing something right...
I'm thinking i need the half angle formula cos2=1+cos(2u)/2

The original equation you posted was 9cos(2t)=9cos2(t)-4. What happened to the second 9? Or was that a typo?
 
Dick said:
The original equation you posted was 9cos(2t)=9cos2(t)-4. What happened to the second 9? Or was that a typo?

typo. the 9cos2(t) canceled out now i have -9sin2=-4 -> sin2=4/9
 
nickb145 said:
typo. the 9cos2(t) canceled out now i have -9sin2=-4 -> sin2=4/9

That's better.
 
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Dick said:
That's better.

now I've squarerooted it and now have sin(t)=2/3 now to arcsin(2/3)=.7297. That is one solution

( i think)

then i think i subtract 2pi. 2pi-.7297=5.5534 (second solution i think). I add and subtract pi to .7297 because 2pi would make it too big

so pi-.7297=2.4118
pi+.72972=3.871
 
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nickb145 said:
now I've squarerooted it and now have sin(t)=2/3 now to arcsin(2/3)=.7297. That is one solution

( i think)

then i think i subtract 2pi. 2pi-.7297=5.5534 (second solution i think). I add and subtract pi to .7297 because 2pi would make it too big

so pi-.7297=2.4118
pi+.72972=3.871

Sounds about right. But your logic is a little fuzzy. sin(t)=(-2/3) is also a solution. Graph y=sin(t), y=2/3 and y=(-2/3) in the range [0,2*pi] to make sure you understand why all of those work.
 
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