What are the units for the two photon LIF signal?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the units associated with the two-photon laser-induced fluorescence (LIF) signal, specifically focusing on the equation provided for the signal and the interpretation of its components. Participants explore the implications of various terms and their units, including the cross-section and the overall units of the signal.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an equation for the two-photon LIF signal and lists the units for each term, expressing confusion about the units of the cross-section σ.
  • Another participant suggests that E should be interpreted as energy and that hv is also energy, implying that the fraction E/hv is unitless.
  • A participant confirms that the fraction is indeed unitless and seeks clarification on the units of the cross-section.
  • One participant notes that cross-sections are typically expressed in units of (length)^2, such as barns, but expresses uncertainty about the overall units of the signal S.
  • Another participant states that the units of S could be photons, counts, or electrons, depending on the conversions applied, and mentions that the two-photon cross-section is tabulated in cm4*s, questioning the inclusion of seconds in this context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the units for the two-photon LIF signal and the cross-section, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the dependence of the units on specific definitions and the role of time in the cross-section units.

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Hello. I was hoping someone could help me understand some units. In several papers, I have seen the two photon LIF signal written as:

S = n*(Ω/4π)*T*G*σ*(E/hv)^2*η*a

where the units are

n (density of measured atom): #/cm3
Ω/4π (solid angle fraction): unitless
T (optical transmission fraction): unitless
G (statistical factor): unitless
E/hv (total photons): photons2 to photons4
η (detector conversion): unitless

So that leaves σ, which I've only seen defined in cm4*s. However, that leaves cm on top as well as square photons, which doesn't make sense. What am I not getting?
 
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E should be an energy

hv should proabably be h \nu = \hbar \omega which is also an energy, so the fraction is unitless.
 
Yes, the fraction has no units. It's just a large number. Thanks.

Any idea about the x-section units?
 
Normally cross sections are given in (length)^2, e.g. barn

I am not quite sure what units S is supposed to have.
 
The units of S can be photons, counts, or electrons depending if you put those conversions in. This is a two photon cross section so the tabulated values I see are cm4*s. Not sure where the seconds come from unless it is supposed to be multiplied by a power rather than energy.
 

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