What causes natural electromagnetic fields?

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The discussion revolves around the causes and characteristics of natural electromagnetic fields, particularly focusing on their origins, properties, and the role of photons in mediating these fields. It encompasses theoretical aspects of electromagnetism, including classical and quantum perspectives.

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  • One participant inquires about the events that create and sustain natural electromagnetic fields and seeks clarification on the concept of photons mediating these fields.
  • Another participant explains that changing electric and magnetic fields produce one another, sustaining electromagnetic waves, as learned in their electromagnetic theory class.
  • A detailed description is provided regarding natural electromagnetic fields originating from lightning discharges, highlighting two components: one from global thunder activity and another from local thunderstorms, each with distinct properties and spectral characteristics.
  • Participants discuss the concept of photons as force carriers for electromagnetic fields, with references to other force carriers like gravitons and W bosons, noting that some have not been detected.
  • One participant elaborates on the quantization of the electromagnetic field, explaining how photons emerge from this process and the role of virtual photons in mediating electromagnetic interactions, referencing classical field theory and quantum field theory.

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The discussion includes multiple competing views and interpretations regarding the nature of natural electromagnetic fields and the role of photons, with no consensus reached on all points raised.

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Participants express varying levels of detail and technicality in their explanations, with some relying on classical theories while others introduce quantum field theory concepts. There are also references to specific measurements and conditions affecting electromagnetic fields, which may not be universally applicable.

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What event creates and sustains natural electromagnetic fields? And what do they mean when they say a photon mediates the electromagnetic field?
 
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Well, I just learned in my EM class that what sustains the EM wave is fact that changing electric and magnetic fields continually produce one another; that is; an electric field that changes produces a changing magnetic field, and vice versa.
 
Natural electromagnetic fields are electromagnetic fields originating mainly from lightning discharges in the Earth-ionosphere cavity. At some distance from their source, these fields propagate as a plane wave with respect to the horizontally directed vector of the magnetic field. There are two components of the field each having different properties.

The first component of natural electromagnetic fields is caused by global thunder activity. The signal produced by electromagnetic fields of this source are relatively stable. A record of this signal received in a manner that is known using a coil as a sensor appears to be random noise. It has almost a homogeneous spectral density in the range between 8 and 500 Hz. Horizontal components of this signal have spectral density of 0.05-0.15 nV/(Hz .sup.1/2.times.m.sup.2). The signal can change gradually several times a day depending on such factors as time of day, time of year and geographical location depending on changes in the conditions of the conductive layers in the ionosphere. Generally the worst time for measurements is winter midday because of the relatively low ambient electromagnetic fields.
The second component of natural electromagnetic fields is caused by local thunderstorms generally happening within a radius 700-1000 km. This signal is more intermittent and appears on a known sensor as separate pulses of oscillations of 1-5 ms each. The spectrum of the field is most intensive in the 2000 to 20000 Hz range. Its intensity can change significantly in a matter of hours.

System, method and computer product geological surveying utilizing natural electromagnetic fields; United States Patent 20030094952
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20030094952.htm


As for the latter part of your question, I believe that it simply means that mediates the fundamental force between matter particles. Photon - EM waves, graviton - gravitational force. Mayby someone else can give a more thorough intro to this.
 
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And what do they mean when they say a photon mediates the electromagnetic field?

That means a photon is a force carrier for electromagnetic fields, also known as a virtual particle or virtual photon.

Similarly a graviton would be a force carrier for a gravitational field, a gluon for strong nuclear force, all were never detected. But for weak nuclear force a mediator W Bosons were detected.
 
When you quantize the electromagnetic field, the resulting particle is the photon. At first you deal with electromagnetism as a classical field theory, where the electric and magnetic fields obey Maxwell's equations. You can derive Maxwell's equations from a standard Langrangian or Hamiltonian. We can quantize this system, in very roughly the same manner we'd quantize eg the harmonic oscillator or square well, and the resulting theory has photons in it.

The language "mediated" comes from quantum field theory. In most cases, we can view electromagnetic interactions between particles as caused by the exchange of virtual photons.
 

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