What causes waves to dissipate in different mediums?

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The discussion revolves around the causes of wave dissipation in different mediums, exploring the nature of waves such as water waves and pulses in springs. Participants raise questions about wave characteristics, reflection, and the underlying physics of wave behavior in various contexts.

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  • Some participants inquire about the fundamental causes of waves, including the presence of crests and troughs, and the nature of pulses.
  • One participant suggests that imbalance in matter leads to the formation of crests and troughs, with momentum causing oscillation.
  • Another participant briefly mentions energy as a factor in wave behavior.
  • Questions arise regarding the absence of troughs in certain pulses and the behavior of pulses upon reflection from fixed and free ends.
  • One participant notes the necessity of mathematical modeling to understand wave phenomena, specifically referencing the wave equation.
  • Several reasons for wave dissipation are proposed, including dispersion in different mediums, energy conversion to heat (damping), and the spreading of energy leading to weaker wave propagation.

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Participants express multiple competing views regarding the causes and characteristics of wave dissipation, with no consensus reached on the explanations provided.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various assumptions about wave behavior in different mediums, such as the effects of dispersion and damping, but does not resolve the complexities involved in these phenomena.

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What causes a wave such as a water wave or a wave in a spring? Why do waves have crests and troughs? What causes a pulse? Does it also have crest and troughs?
 
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Imbalance. As matter is perturbed from balance towards a crest it tends back towards balance but with momentum it overshoots into a trough and back towards balance, which constitutes a pulse.
 
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Energy.
 
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Why doesn't a pulse like the one in the image I attached have a trough? Also, why does the pulse reflect with opposite direction with a fixed end and reflect in the same direction with a free end?
 

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That could be like a DC surge or an interference overlap... the questions are rather obscure in nature.
 
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Sometimes there's no alternative to doing the math.

If we're considering water waves (just for definiteness), then gravity is acting to pull the high spot down... but as the water there is pulled down it has to displace the water underneath it, forcing it out to the sides, which displaces the water next to the peak, forcing it up and down. We can model this situation with a differential equation, the "wave equation" - google for it! - and solve it. Depending on the initial conditions, we'll find that any of the phenomena you mention will result.

(It would not be unusual to find an entire semester of an undergraduate physics program devoted to wave phenomena).
 
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Okay I have one final question. Why does a wave dissipate? If you had a pulse traveling through a spring in space would it still dissipate?
 
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Okay I have one final question. Why does a wave dissipate? If you had a pulse traveling through a spring in space would it still dissipate?

Waves dissipate for several reasons.

First, waves in many mediums are "dispersive", meaning that the speed of the wave varies with the frequency (water waves are dispersive, electromagnetic waves in a vacuum are not). A single nicely peaked wave like the one in the image you attached is actually a superposition of many different waves of different frequencies, so in a dispersive medium the peak will become ever shallower and wider as the different components move at different speeds until the peak becomes too small to notice.

Second, many mediums convert a little bit of energy to heat as the wave back and forth; this is called "damping". All springs have non-zero damping, so a wave traveling through a spring will gradually weaken and eventually disappear leaving only a slightly warmer spring.

Third, the wave only has so much energy, so if propagates in a way that tends to spread it out, it will get weaker. This is what happens with light from a point source like a distant star - the light spreads out in all directions, so the farther away we are from the star, the weaker the part of the wave that reaches us will be.
 

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