What creates the magnetic field in an individual atom?

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The discussion revolves around the origins of magnetic fields at the atomic level, particularly focusing on what aspects of an atom contribute to its magnetic properties. Participants explore concepts related to electron spin, magnetic moments, and the implications of unpaired electrons, as well as the broader context of magnetism in solids.

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  • Some participants propose that the magnetic field in an atom is generated by the spin and angular momentum of electrons, questioning how these spins interact within the atom.
  • Others argue that unpaired electrons can create a net magnetic moment, suggesting that even a single unpaired electron can lead to a magnetic field.
  • A later reply questions the orientation of the magnetic field in an atom with non-zero electron spin, noting that this orientation can change under external influences.
  • One participant introduces the concept of magnetic surface currents as a more complex explanation for magnetism in materials, suggesting that the pole model is a simplification of the underlying electron currents at the atomic level.

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Participants express varying views on the mechanisms of magnetism at the atomic level, particularly regarding the role of unpaired electrons and the orientation of magnetic fields. No consensus is reached on these points.

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Some discussions reference specific concepts such as electron paramagnetic resonance and magnetic surface currents, indicating a reliance on advanced theoretical frameworks that may not be fully resolved within the conversation.

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If a magnet is cut in half, it is still a magnet (dipole). If the magnet is continuously cut in half until it is only an atom, it still remains a magnet. My question is, what part of the atom generates the magnet field?

I understand that magnets form primarily from the spin and angular momentum alignments of electrons, but in an individual atom, don't the electrons' spins cancel each other out?
 
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Prannu said:
If a magnet is cut in half, it is still a magnet (dipole). If the magnet is continuously cut in half until it is only an atom, it still remains a magnet. My question is, what part of the atom generates the magnet field?

I understand that magnets form primarily from the spin and angular momentum alignments of electrons, but in an individual atom, don't the electrons' spins cancel each other out?

Not if you have unpaired electrons! Count the number of electrons in each element of the periodic table, and fill in each orbital. Why would every single one of them have even number of electrons and have their spins cancel out?

Zz.
 
What parts of the atom would be the North/South pole then?
 
Prannu said:
What parts of the atom would be the North/South pole then?

Does this mean then that you have finally accepted and understood that an atom may have a magnetic moment?

Zz.
 
Well, sort of. So you're saying that even if one left over electron exists (without a spin partner), it's enough to cause a magnetic field in the atom?
 
Prannu said:
Well, sort of. So you're saying that even if one left over electron exists (without a spin partner), it's enough to cause a magnetic field in the atom?

Why don't you look up "electron paramagnetic resonance" or "electron spin resonance"?

Besides, where do you think magnetism in solids come from?

Zz.
 
I knew magnetism comes from the net sum of election spins, and orbital magnetic moments for all the atoms of the solid, but was wondering: if for a single atom, there is a non zero spin for the electrons, what orientation is the magnetic field in for the atom?

I will look up the terms you mentioned. Thank you for answering my original question.
 
Prannu said:
I knew magnetism comes from the net sum of election spins, and orbital magnetic moments for all the atoms of the solid, but was wondering: if for a single atom, there is a non zero spin for the electrons, what orientation is the magnetic field in for the atom?

The orientation isn't set. It can change, especially under the influence of external magnetic fields.
 
Suggestion to the OP is to look up magnetism in Griffith's E&M textbook where he discusses magnetic surface currents. He does it rather quickly and it is mixed in with some detailed calculations that include the calculation of a magnetic vector potential ## A ##. In any case, the magnetism in the materials is shown in the textbook to be a result of magnetic surface currents. The pole model of magnetism (with north and south poles) is actually a mathematical shortcut to the real source of the magnetic field which is the magnetic surface currents which are the residual effect of magnetic (electron) currents at the atomic level throughout the material that are aligned the same way (e.g. in the counterclockwise direction.) There is no net current at any point inside a uniformly magnetized material-essentially adjacent electron currents (i.e. of adjacent atoms in the material) cancel each other, but at the surface boundaries of the material there will be uncancelled currents. These magnetic surface currents are what creates the magnetic field of a permanent magnet both inside and outside of the material.
 
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