What Determines the Arc Radius of an Ion in a Magnetic Field?

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The discussion revolves around the factors that determine the arc radius of ions in a magnetic field, specifically comparing singly ionized helium and doubly ionized oxygen. The context involves concepts from mass spectrometry and the physics of charged particles in magnetic fields.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between mass, charge, and velocity of ions in a magnetic field. Questions arise regarding the expected radius of the arc for different ions based on their charge and mass ratios.

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Some participants are examining the reasoning behind the expected outcomes for the radius of the ion paths, while others are questioning the assumptions made about the mass and charge of the ions involved. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of these factors without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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One participant notes a potential error in the assumptions regarding the mass of helium, suggesting that the comparison may not hold if the atomic structure is misrepresented. Additionally, there is a reference to a link that is inaccessible, which may limit the context for some participants.

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I can't understand why the answer is E.

The velocity with which the ion enters the magnetic field is determined by

1/2 m v^2 = q V

ans so v is proportional to sqrt(q/m).

The radius of the arc in a magnetic field of strength B is proportional to (m * v) /q which is proportional to sqrt(m/q).

Since the oxygen is double the charge and quadruple the mass, we expect oxygen to have a radius which is increased by a factor of sqrt(2)
 
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I get a "403-forbidden" error when I click on your link...can you type out the problem instead?
 
A mass spectrograph separates ions by weight using simple concepts from physics. Charged
ions are given a specific kinetic energy by accelerating them through a potential difference. The ions then move through a perpendicular magnetic field where they are deflected into circular paths with differing radii. How would the radius of a singularly ionized common helium atomcompare to the radius of a doubly ionized common oxygen atom if they were
accelerated through the same potential difference and were deflected by the same magnetic field?

[A] The radius of the He ion path is 4 times the radius of the O ion path.
The radius of the O ion path is 2 times the radius of the He ion path.
[C] The radius of the O ion path is 4 times the radius of the He ion path.
[D] The radius of the O ion path is 8 times the radius of the O ion path.
[E] The radius of the He ion path is equal to the radius of the O ion path.

Answers is [E] supposedly.
 
Unless the helium atom has 6 neutrons, I'd have to agree with you.
 

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