What Determines the Maximum Number of Microstates at Equilibrium?

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The discussion centers on the concept of microstates in statistical mechanics, specifically addressing what determines the maximum number of microstates at equilibrium for two non-interacting systems with different energy levels. The focus is on understanding the product of microstates and its implications for total states in a system.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant defines ##\Omega(E_1)## and ##\Omega(E_2)## as the number of microstates accessible to a system at energies ##E_1## and ##E_2##, respectively, and questions why the product ##\Omega(E_1)\Omega(E_2)## represents the maximum number of microstates at equilibrium.
  • Another participant clarifies that the product term ##\Omega(E_1,E_2)=\Omega(E_1)\Omega(E_2)## represents the total number of states for two non-interacting systems.
  • A subsequent post reiterates the previous point about the product term and seeks further clarification on why it gives the total number of states.
  • One participant uses the analogy of two six-sided dice to explain that each state of the first system can be combined with each state of the second system, leading to a multiplicative total of states.
  • A later reply acknowledges the explanation and expresses gratitude for the clarification provided.

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Participants generally agree on the interpretation of the product of microstates for non-interacting systems, but there is a lack of consensus on the deeper implications of this relationship at equilibrium, as some questions remain unanswered.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not fully explore the assumptions behind the definitions of microstates or the conditions under which the product holds, leaving some aspects unresolved.

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## \Omega(E_1)## is the number of microstates accessible to a system when it has an energy ##E_1## and ##\Omega(E_2)## is the number of microstates accessible to the system when it has an energy ##E_2##. I understand that each microstate has equal probability of being occupied, but could someone explain at equilibrium why ##\Omega(E_1)\Omega(E_2)## is the maximum number of microstates?
 
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Such a product term means the total number of states

##\Omega(E_1,E_2)=\Omega(E_1)\Omega(E_2)##

of two non-interacting systems with energies ##E_1## and ##E_2##, respectively.
 
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Lord Jestocost said:
Such a product term means the total number of states

##\Omega(E_1,E_2)=\Omega(E_1)\Omega(E_2)##

of two non-interacting systems with energies ##E_1## and ##E_2##, respectively.
Apologies if the answer is obvious, but why does ## \Omega(E_1)\Omega(E_2) ## give the total number of states?
 
The first system may be in any of ##\Omega(E_1)## states; for any of these the second may be in any of ##\Omega(E_2)## states. It’s really no different than a system of consisting of two standard six-sided dice: the first may be in any of six states, the second may be in any of six states, so there are six times six equals thirty-six possible states for the two-dice system.
 
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Nugatory said:
The first system may be in any of ##\Omega(E_1)## states; for any of these the second may be in any of ##\Omega(E_2)## states. It’s really no different than a system of consisting of two standard six-sided dice: the first may be in any of six states, the second may be in any of six states, so there are six times six equals thirty-six possible states for the two-dice system.
Ah of course. Thanks, that cleared things up.
 

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