What Device Prevents Electrical Backflow?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around devices that prevent electrical backflow, specifically exploring the functionality of diodes, capacitors, and spark gaps in this context. Participants also consider experimental setups involving magnets and coils to generate electrical sparks.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about devices that allow electricity to flow in one direction, suggesting a capacitor may have this ability.
  • Another participant asserts that a diode functions as a "one way valve" for electricity, allowing current to flow in one direction only.
  • A question is posed about whether a spark gap can serve the same purpose as a diode.
  • It is clarified that a normal spark gap does not work like a diode, but nanoscale diodes can be created using field emission in vacuum conditions.
  • A participant describes a proposed experimental setup involving a wire, a diode, a spark gap, and a magnet, questioning whether this would generate a spark.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the proposed setup generating a spark but suggests providing a diagram for clarity and recommends searching for DIY projects related to spark gap generators.
  • One participant explains that inducing a current in an inductor with a magnet could generate voltage, which might create a spark if sufficient voltage is achieved to overcome the breakdown voltage of air.
  • It is noted that the diode may not be necessary unless charging a capacitor or preventing reverse current flow, and that at high voltages, a single diode may not adequately resist reverse current.
  • A participant emphasizes that their interest is in any electric flow, not necessarily a visible spark.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the functionality of various devices (diodes, capacitors, spark gaps) in preventing electrical backflow, and there is no consensus on the effectiveness of the proposed experimental setup for generating sparks.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the limitations of their proposed setups and the conditions under which sparks may or may not occur, including the need for sufficient voltage and the specific configurations of components.

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I have heard that there is a device(s) that will ensure that electricity can flow only one way and not reverse. If this is correct I would like to know what it (they) are. I have also heard that a capacitor has this ability and would like confirmation or correction.
Thank you
 
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No, not a capacitor.

A diode acts exactly a "one way valve". It allows current to flow in one direction, and not the other. Look up "diode" on Wikipedia.
 
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will a spark gap do the same thing?
 
what i was thinking was having one side of the wire connected to an electrical ground, put in diode, wrap the middle of the wire around a pvc pipe, and end the wire in a spark gap to a wire that will return to the electrical ground. after that i will run a round magnet though the pipe. will this make a spark (at the spark gap)?
 
Steven Ellet said:
what i was thinking was having one side of the wire connected to an electrical ground, put in diode, wrap the middle of the wire around a pvc pipe, and end the wire in a spark gap to a wire that will return to the electrical ground. after that i will run a round magnet though the pipe. will this make a spark (at the spark gap)?

I do not think your apparatus (as I visualize it) would generate a spark gap. But, if you can make a clear sketch and or diagram, showing all the elements and how they're connected it would be possible to give you a "yes", "no", or "maybe".

Steven, and you might also try to Google search for: "spark gap generator with magnet" and similar search phrases. Often there are Do-it-yourself projects for just what you're asking about.
 
example

......return wire
...__________________________________
________->-________()()()()()()()____! spark gap
ground...diode...generator.
 
If you induce a current (with your magnet) in an inductor (your coiled wire), you will be able to generate some voltage across the inductor. That voltage will depend on the inductance of the coil and the field density and rate of change you can achieve. If you are able to get a large enough voltage to overcome the breakdown voltage of the air between the end of the inductor and ground (your spark gap), you will push some electrons across the gap (maybe enough to get a spark). The diode is not necessary unless you are trying to charge something (like a capacitor) with several cycles of the system or prevent it from working in reverse, and at the voltages that will produce a spark, a single diode is not likely to have a reverse voltage that provides adequate resistance to reverse current flow. The dielectric strength of air is about 3 million Volts per meter so you will need to produce at least 3000V to make a spark across a 1mm gap. Using a 15000V neon sign transformer I have made some nice Jacobs ladders starting at a gap of about 4mm and breaking at a gap of about 100mm after a 1m climb.
 
My point is not a visible spark (not that that would be bad) but rather any electric flow.
 

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