What Do These Famous Quotes Reveal About the Minds of Great Scientists?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the insights and implications of various famous quotes attributed to notable scientists and thinkers. Participants explore the philosophical and conceptual underpinnings of these quotes, touching on themes related to science, mathematics, and the nature of knowledge. The scope includes theoretical reflections, practical implications, and the interplay between science and philosophy.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Meta-discussion

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants highlight Einstein's assertion that "the most incomprehensible thing about the world is that it is comprehensible," suggesting a philosophical reflection on the nature of understanding.
  • Others reference Dirac's view that science should be communicated in a way that is understandable to everyone, contrasting it with the complexity often found in poetry.
  • Several quotes emphasize the importance of simplicity in scientific explanations, with Einstein stating, "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough."
  • Hrvoje Nikolic raises a point about scientists sometimes being "too clever to see the obvious," indicating a potential critique of overcomplication in scientific thought.
  • Participants discuss the relationship between theory and practice, with Kurt Lewin asserting that "there is nothing so practical as a good theory," suggesting that theoretical frameworks are essential for practical applications.
  • Some quotes reflect on the nature of quantum mechanics, with Niels Bohr stating that if it hasn't "profoundly shocked you," one hasn't understood it yet, indicating the counterintuitive nature of the field.
  • Others, like Carl Sagan, emphasize the importance of questioning in science, stating, "The scientist is not a person who gives the right answers, he's one who asks the right questions."
  • There are discussions on the limitations of mathematical descriptions in physics, with Bertrand Russell noting that physics is mathematical not because of our understanding of the physical world, but due to our limited knowledge.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion features multiple competing views and interpretations of the quotes, with no clear consensus on the implications or meanings of the statements presented. Participants express differing opinions on the nature of scientific understanding, the role of theory, and the relationship between science and philosophy.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the definitions of key terms such as "understanding" and "theory," which may affect interpretations of the quotes. Additionally, the discussion reflects a variety of philosophical stances, including instrumentalism and positivism, which remain unresolved.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those exploring the philosophy of science, the nature of scientific inquiry, and the interplay between theoretical and practical aspects of scientific knowledge.

  • #121
Only, they [logicists and formalists] must commit it the day they wish to make any application of mathematics. This science has not as sole object the eternal contemplation of its own navel; it has to do with nature and some day it will touch it. Then it will be necessary to shake off purely verbal definitions and to stop paying oneself with words.
- Henri Poincaré
 
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  • #122
Quantum foundations is to quantum physics what mathematical analysis is to calculus.
- Hrvoje Nikolić
 
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  • #123
"So, ultimately, in order to understand nature it may be necessary to have a deeper understanding of mathematical relationships. But the real reason is that the subject is enjoyable, and although we humans cut nature up in different ways, and we have different courses in different departments, such compartmentalization is really artificial, and we should take our intellectual pleasures where we find them."

"There are many interesting phenomena … which involve a mixture of physical phenomena and physiological processes, and the full appreciation of natural phenomena, as we see them, must go beyond physics in the usual sense. We make no apologies for making these excursions into other fields, because the separation of fields, as we have emphasized, is merely a human convenience, and an unnatural thing. Nature is not interested in our separations, and many of the interesting phenomena bridge the gaps between fields."
- Richard Feynman, The Feynman Lectures
 
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  • #125
There is no god and Paul Dirac is his prophet (Pauli)
 
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  • #126
strangerep said:
"How can one smile when one is (trying to) work with W. Pauli?" - E. Stuckelberg.
pinball1970 said:
There is no god and Paul Dirac is his prophet (Pauli)

Re Pauli, I don't know which he is more famous for, his exclusion principle or his "not even wrong" put-down, but I came across an echo of the latter the other day in an article attacking Jordan Peterson (who I expect it would be taboo to discuss on this site):

"I don’t mean to say that all of what Peterson says is in the category of the “not even wrong.” Some of it is actually just wrong."https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/03/the-intellectual-we-deserve
 
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  • #127
And the link that was supplied ^^^ to clarify the meaning of "not even wrong" yielded another quip by Pauli:
"What you said was so confused that one could not tell whether it was nonsense or not."

( Peierls, R. (1960). "Wolfgang Ernst Pauli, 1900–1958". Biographical Memoirs of Fellows of the Royal Society. 5: 186. doi:10.1098/rsbm.1960.0014. )
 
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  • #128
In fact, QFT is just wrong! Quantum mechanics is all-encompassing. A correct theory must include quantum gravity and QFT is not up to the task.
- Sheldon Lee Glashow
 
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  • #129
Auto-Didact said:
"So, ultimately, in order to understand nature it may be necessary to have a deeper understanding of mathematical relationships. But the real reason is that the subject is enjoyable, and although we humans cut nature up in different ways, and we have different courses in different departments, such compartmentalization is really artificial, and we should take our intellectual pleasures where we find them."

"There are many interesting phenomena … which involve a mixture of physical phenomena and physiological processes, and the full appreciation of natural phenomena, as we see them, must go beyond physics in the usual sense. We make no apologies for making these excursions into other fields, because the separation of fields, as we have emphasized, is merely a human convenience, and an unnatural thing. Nature is not interested in our separations, and many of the interesting phenomena bridge the gaps between fields."
- Richard Feynman, The Feynman Lectures
Hi Auto-Didact
I like your posts. You apears to me as a person with open mind and not slave of dogmas that can block scientific progress.
Do you know the work of a portuguese scientist that has developed a new way tward unification of relativity and quantum theory? If you are curious about please go to his professional profile at http://cfcul.fc.ul.pt/equipa/jcroca.php
Best regards
 
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  • #130
The open problems in the area of non-linear partial differential equations are very relevant to applied mathematics and science as a whole, perhaps more so than the open problems in any other area of mathematics, and this field seems poised for rapid development. It seems clear, however, that fresh methods must be employed.
- John Nash (1958)
 
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  • #131
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things.
- Henri Poincaré
 
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  • #132
So is biological taxonomy.
 
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  • #134
"The most exciting phrase in science is not 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny ...'

-- Isaac Asimov
 
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  • #135
Every mathematician believes that he is ahead of the others. The reason none state this belief in public is because they are intelligent people.
-- Kolmogorov
 
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  • #136
BillTre said:
So is biological taxonomy.
All science is either physics or stamp collecting.
-- Rutherford
 
  • #137
Auto-Didact said:
All science is either physics or stamp collecting.
-- Rutherford

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  • #138
The scientist does not study nature because it is useful to do so. He studies it because he takes pleasure in it, and he takes pleasure in it because it is beautiful. If nature were not beautiful it would not be worth knowing, and life would not be worth living.
- Henri Poincaré
 
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  • #139
" . . . there is a pleasure in recognizing old things from a new point of view."

- Richard Feynman, 1948 :
 

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  • #140
“In physics the truth is rarely perfectly clear, and that is certainly universally the case in human affairs. Hence, what is not surrounded by uncertainty cannot be the truth.”

― Richard Feynman
 
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  • #141
Read Euler, read Euler. He is the master of us all.
- Laplace
 
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  • #142
The Nobel Prize in Physics 2019
The Nobel Prize in Physics 2019 was awarded "for contributions to our understanding of the evolution of the universe and Earth's place in the cosmos" with one half to James Peebles "for theoretical discoveries in physical cosmology", the other half jointly to Michel Mayor and Didier Queloz "for the discovery of an exoplanet orbiting a solar-type star."

https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/physics/2019/summary/
 
  • #143
Not by a scientist but in line with themes here:

To formulate general ideas is to change saltpeter into gunpowder.Formuler des idées générales, c'est changer le salpêtre en poudre.—A. DE MUSSET, Confessions d'un Enfant du Siecle,
 
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  • #144
"Obvious is the most dangerous word in mathematics. "

-- Eric Temple Bell author of Men of Mathematics.
 
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  • #145
The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it. ― Neil deGrasse Tyson
 
  • #146
...the central mystery of climate science. It is not a scientific mystery but a human mystery. How does it happen that a whole generation of scientific experts is blind to obvious facts?

Freeman Dyson

(Foreword to GWPF report #18 Goklany, I.M. 2015, Carbon dioxide, The good news)
 
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  • #147
Demystifier said:
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
Albert Einstein

Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen.
Albert Einstein

by definition it’s common for people to use the word logic versus common sense even those there’s an infinite amount of options to choose from through being irrational... While logic is a strict principle of choice(s)
 
  • #148
Mathematics is too important to be abandoned to fanatic logicians.
- Benoit B. Mandelbrot
 
  • #149
Demystifier said:
If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.
Albert Einstein
anonymous said:
If you cain't fix it with duct tape, then you ain't usin' enough duct tape.
 
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  • #150
It is by logic that we prove, but by intuition that we discover. To know how to criticize is good, to know how to create is better.
- Henri Poincaré
 
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