What Does Extinction Ratio Mean in Optical Specifications?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of extinction ratio in optical specifications, particularly in the context of fiber optic communications and laser diodes. Participants seek clarification on its definition, mathematical representation, and implications for data transmission.

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  • Some participants express confusion about the definition of extinction ratio and request explanations and mathematical background.
  • One participant explains that the extinction ratio is the ratio of optical power levels for logic "1" and logic "0" in binary data transmission.
  • Another participant questions the interpretation of a 1000:1 extinction ratio, suggesting it implies a loss of one bit for every 1000 transmitted.
  • A different participant challenges the idea of a 1000 extinction ratio being normal, providing an example of a more typical ratio of 10 with specific power levels for logic states.
  • Some participants discuss the relationship between extinction ratio and signal loss, with one asserting that a high extinction ratio does not equate to a loss of signal.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of modulation depth as a related idea that could clarify extinction ratio.
  • One participant uses an analogy comparing the extinction ratio to shouting, emphasizing that the ratio does not indicate how many signals may be misinterpreted.
  • There is a mention of the logarithmic nature of decibels in relation to power ratios, providing a mathematical context to the discussion.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of extinction ratio, with multiple competing views on its implications and normal values. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the relationship between extinction ratio and signal loss.

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Some participants note that their explanations may oversimplify the concepts involved, and there is a reliance on specific definitions that may not be universally agreed upon.

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I am a little bit confused on what an extinction ratio is. I am looking at optical specs and it keeps on coming up. Would someone be kind enough to explain it to me and perhaps provide a mathematical background thank you!
 
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When laser diodes are used to transmit binary data (fiber optic communications), a "1" is transmitted as a higher optical power level than the "0". The extinction ratio is simply the ratio of these two power levels:

[tex]Extinction Ratio = \frac{logic 1 power}{logic 0 power}[/tex]
 
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the_emi_guy said:
When laser diodes are used to transmit binary data (fiber optic communications), a "1" is transmitted as a higher optical power level than the "0". The extinction ratio is simply the ratio of these two power levels:

[tex]Extinction Ratio = \frac{logic 1 power}{logic 0 power}[/tex]

So a 1000:1 extinction ratio is simply that for every 1000 bits transmitted 1 bit is lost due to a loss in power?
 
No.

First an extinction ratio of 1000 (30dB) would not be normal. Let's take a more normal situation with a ratio of 10.

Laser is transmitting 1mW for logic 1.
Laser is transmitting 100uW for logic 0.
Extinction ratio is 10.
 
the_emi_guy said:
No.

First an extinction ratio of 1000 (30dB) would not be normal. Let's take a more normal situation with a ratio of 10.

Laser is transmitting 1mW for logic 1.
Laser is transmitting 100uW for logic 0.
Extinction ratio is 10.

I understand that but what does that entail for the bits of information? A ratio of 1000 is a loss in signal of 30dB?
 
JPBenowitz said:
I understand that but what does that entail for the bits of information? A ratio of 1000 is a loss in signal of 30dB?

Not loss of signal.

This is an example of AM (amplitude modulation). Do you know what a Modulation Depth is? If you look that up, the Extinction Ratio should make more sense.
 
JPBenowitz said:
I understand that but what does that entail for the bits of information? A ratio of 1000 is a loss in signal of 30dB?

The bits of information are encoded as optical power level.

Think of ordinary electrical digital logic. A TTL device encodes logic 1 as >2.2V and logic 0 as <0.8V. An ECL device encodes logic 1 as -0.9V and logic 0 as -1.7V.

Binary digits are encoded on a fiber optic cable as logic 1 and logic 0 optical power levels. (This is a gross oversimplification, I am trying to convey the basic idea).
 
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Simplification looks in order here...??

It's more like two people talking at some distance, say shouting down a hallway:
IF:
A loud shout is a "1"
and a soft shout is a "0"
(and heaven only knows why they're talking in binary).
A loud shout might be 10X louder than a soft one which would be an extinction ratio of 10,
but that says nothing about how many soft shouts were mistaken for loud ones , or were not heard at all.

db comes from the unit BEL, after Alexander Graham.
A bel is the logarithm of ratio between two powers, log(P2/P1).
A decibel is a tenth of a bel, 10X log (P2/P1)
 

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