What does it mean to have a negative change in current?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the interpretation of negative changes in current, specifically in the context of calculus and alternating current. Participants explore the implications of negative di/dt and dq/dt, considering both the mathematical representation and physical meaning of these terms.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that a negative di/dt indicates an increasing current moving from a lower potential to a higher potential, depending on the definition of current direction.
  • Others clarify that di/dt represents the slope on a graph, and that negative and positive currents can exist depending on the chosen circuit direction.
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding the meaning of negative dq/dt, noting that it can imply decreasing charges or charges moving in the opposite direction, leading to uncertainty about the derivative's interpretation.
  • One participant uses the analogy of a sine graph for alternating current to illustrate that both positive and negative currents can have varying slopes over time.
  • Another participant questions whether a negative slope in the context of a wave indicates an increasing current that is moving in the opposite direction, suggesting multiple interpretations of negative di/dt and dq/dt.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of negative changes in current, with multiple competing views and interpretations presented throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the definitions of current direction, the implications of negative derivatives, and the relationship between mathematical representations and physical phenomena.

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Does a di/dt<0 mean an increasing current moving from a lower potential to a higher potential (if we define the direction of current to be the flow of the positive charges)? Similar question with negative current i.e.; dq/dt<0.
 
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Good morning mathsciguy.

You do realize that di/dt represents the slope or tangent on a graph?

It may help to talk of negative going currents (negative di/dt) and positive going currents (positive di/dt) since there may also be negative currents (against the chosen circuit direction) and positive currents (with the chosen circuit direction).

So the slope of a negative (or positive) current may itself be negative or positive.

Of course the current may also be zero, especially if alternating.
 
Yes I do of course, it's also the very reason that I'm having conflicting ideas. In the context of calculus (at least from how I knew it), a negative dq/dt would mean that there are decreasing charges as time goes but when the textbook says negative dq/dt also means charges moving in the opposite direction (whatever that direction maybe?) then things get a little perplexing for me. What does this time derivative actually mean? I'm sorry this might sound like a silly question.
 
Think of a sine graph of current v time for alternating current.

For half of each cycle i is positive
For the other half i is negative ie going the other way.

For both positive and negative halves

Half of the time di/dt is positive and half the time di/dt is negative.
 
So, at the negative part of the wave where the slope is negative, is that where the current is increasing and but goes the opposite direction (intuitively, becoming more and more negative)?

That means there are different ways to interpret a di/dt or dq/dt that is negative.
 

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