What does object space and image space mean in optics?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concepts of object space and image space in optics, exploring their definitions, implications, and relationships within optical systems. Participants share their understanding and seek clarification on these terms, which are fundamental in the study of optics.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant defines object space as the space where rays emerge and image space as the space where rays fall or appear to fall, seeking confirmation or correction of this understanding.
  • Another participant agrees with the initial definition, elaborating that object space is the area between the source and the optical system, while image space is the area between the optical system and the image.
  • A different perspective is introduced, suggesting that object and image space do not necessarily correspond to distinct physical spaces and can overlap, as illustrated by the example of looking in a bathroom mirror.
  • This participant further explains that the entrance pupil and exit pupil of an optical system can occupy different physical locations while still being categorized as object space and image space, respectively.
  • Additionally, it is noted that both object and image spaces are mathematical constructs that extend infinitely and are used to analyze and design optical systems, with rays undergoing transformations as they move between different media.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying interpretations of object and image space, with some agreeing on basic definitions while others introduce more complex relationships and nuances. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise nature and implications of these concepts.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the definitions of object and image space, as well as the potential for overlap in physical spaces. The mathematical transformations mentioned are not fully elaborated, leaving some steps unresolved.

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Dhanush Shivaramaiah said:
What does object space and image space mean in optics?
hi there
welcome to PF

You have labelled your thread with an "A" tag implying that you have a post graduate level of education
So what research have you done so far on the topic ?
what have you been reading and what didn't you understand ?Dave
 
I'm really sorry, sir. I did not know what the tags meant as I'm new. I just registered today. I'm a 12th grade student.
 
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Dhanush Shivaramaiah said:
I'm really sorry, sir. I did not know what the tags meant as I'm new. I just registered today. I'm a 12th grade student.

all good, no problems :smile:

So have you tried putting your question into google ?
what did you discover ?

there are lots of links and references there for you to have a read through
and then come back with questions on anything specific you didnt understand :smile:

Dave
 
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Sure, sir. I googled these problems and read extensively. From what I understand optical space is a co-ordinate system like a Cartesian coordinate system. Object space is the space where the rays emerge and image space is the space is space where rays fall or appear to fall.
This is what I understood so far. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I'd be very happy if anyone can provide further information or correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Dhanush Shivaramaiah said:
Object space is the space where the rays emerge and image space is the space is space where rays fall or appear to fall.
This is what I understood so far. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I'd be very happy if anyone can provide further information or correct me if I'm wrong.

You have the right idea. Object space is the space between the source and the optical system; image space is the space between the optical system and the image.
 
If I remember my Optics 201 and 202 classes correctly, object and image space don't necessarily correspond to physical spaces and can even be in the same physical space. For example, when you look in your bathroom mirror the object and image space coincide. These spaces can even extend to opposite sides of a lens. The entrance pupil for an optical system (which always occupies object space) may actually fall behind the last lens, in the physical space where the image is formed, while the exit pupil (which always occupies image space) can fall in front of the system in the physical space the object occupies.

As an example, the exit pupil of a cassegrain telescope lies behind the secondary mirror, meaning that the exit pupil is at the front of the telescope, just like the object is. Despite this, the exit pupil is still in image space, not object space.

To get more technically accurate, both image and object spaces are specific types of optical spaces and both extend to infinity in all directions. They are merely mathematical tools to help us analyze and design optical systems. Rays moving from one medium to another (air to lens) undergo a "mathematical transformation" and enter another optical space. This mathematical transformation is just terminology that means that we are performing the same mathematical operations on all of the rays, such as using the laws of refraction or reflection to find their new trajectory.
 

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