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Featured What does the American educational system (K-12) teach well?

  1. Mar 9, 2017 #151
    Sorry Stat, can't agree
    In our system today many of the best teachers leave and the poor ones stay.

    I'm speaking from experience....

  2. Mar 9, 2017 #152
    Totally agree with you, Dave
  3. Mar 9, 2017 #153
    Agree, Doc
    But that is our system.....
  4. Mar 9, 2017 #154

    Sorry Dave, Can't agree here.
    Maybe you travel in exceptionally literate circles, but generally we suck at teaching reading.
    When I say "we" I mean the American system - not me.
  5. Mar 9, 2017 #155
    Sorry Stat,
    Teachers, at least in my school, were not allowed to be creative. Again, I've said this before,
    teachers are told when, where and how to teach their subject. Step out of line and you are in for a hard time.
  6. Mar 9, 2017 #156


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    I was so saddened to hear of your experience.

    The discusting thing is what you were trying to do is exactly what research shows leads to effective teaching ie forming good relationships with students. I think I have posted it before but will do it again:

    Professor John Hattie, Director of the Melbourne Education Research Institute at the University of Melbourne and chairman of the Federal Government's Australian Institute for Teaching and School Leadership (AITSL)

    John Hattie is a straight-talking academic with a passion for trying to understand, measure and share what makes a difference in the classroom.

    His study on what really matters to help students learn and progress has been described as the 'holy grail' of effective teaching and he is arguably the world's most influential education researcher.

    His 2008 book, Visible Learning, is the largest ever collection of evidence-based research into what makes a difference for students, ranking the factors which most improve learning. It was the culmination of 15 years of research, incorporating more than 50,000 studies on schools involving millions of students.

    Professor Hattie found improving the quality of feedback students receive and ensuring positive teacher-student interaction led to the best outcomes. It is a pupil's ability to assess their own performance and to discuss how they can improve with the teacher that makes the most difference.

    Somewhat controversially, he also says the evidence shows that factors such as class size, homework and public or private schooling are not nearly as important to students' learning progression as the quality of individual teachers.

    Born in New Zealand, John Hattie grew up in the regional port city of Timaru, and after school worked as a house painter before going to university and gaining a teaching diploma. He gained his PhD in 1981 and has worked at universities around the world before taking up his position in Melbourne in 2011.

    Notice my highlighted bit. What your administration is doing is the exact opposite. Its not as if its a secret - its in his very well regarded book. Why oh why dont administrators read and act on it. It just makes no sense.

    Just as an aside there is a school in Australia that IMHO does it right:

    No grades, flexible learning, no high stakes tests to get into university - you go when you are ready - many many innovative things, but overall its exactly what Professor Hatttie says - you form good relationships with students.


    Students loving school - we cant have that can we?

  7. Mar 10, 2017 #157


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