What Does the |x=0 = dy dz Mean in the Physical Interpretation of Divergence?

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The discussion revolves around the physical interpretation of divergence in the context of fluid flow, specifically focusing on the expression involving the evaluation of a function at a specific point and its implications for mass flow rate. Participants explore the meaning of certain mathematical expressions and their physical significance in a small volume element.

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  • One participant seeks clarification on the expression "ρvx|x=0 = dy dz," questioning its correctness and meaning in the context of fluid flow into a volume element.
  • Another participant suggests that "|x=0" indicates evaluation at x=0, describing the volume element as a cuboid with one face at the plane x=0.
  • There is a contention regarding the correct expression for flux into the volume, with some asserting it should be "ρvxdydz" instead of the book's notation.
  • Participants discuss the flux out of the opposing face and the introduction of a partial derivative in the context of a linear approximation, with one participant explaining it relates to Taylor's theorem.
  • One participant interprets the discussion as relating to mass flow rate, emphasizing the relationship between density, velocity, and area.

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Participants express differing views on the correctness of the original expression from the book, with some believing it to be a typo. The introduction of the partial derivative is also a point of discussion, with varying levels of understanding among participants.

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There are unresolved questions regarding the interpretation of specific mathematical expressions and their physical implications, as well as the assumptions underlying the use of Taylor's theorem in this context.

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Hello,

I am new to calculus, and am having problems with divergence, I was reading something to explain the physical interpretation of divergence and i got stuck in the very first part.

it says that if we have a small volume dxdydz at the origin, and that a fluid flowing into this volume from the positive x-direction per unit time, the the rate of flow in is
= ρvx|x=0 = dy dz,
where ρ is the density at (x, y, z), and vx is the velocity of the fluid in the x-direction, what does "|x=0 = dy dz" part mean.

Thanks a lot.
 
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"|x=0" probably means that the function, here ρvx, should be evaluauted at x=0. So they imagine the volume element as a cuboid with one vertex at the origin and the sides as dx, dy, and dz in the posotive directions. One face of the cuboid is then contained in the plane x=0.

The flux into the volume through this face is then ρvxdydz, so something seems wrong in what you wrote anyway.

Btw, you wrote "from the positive x-direction", but I assume that you meant "along the positive x-direction", so that positive vx is directed to the right.
 


yes what i meant is "along the positive x-direction"

but about the flux into the volume, i agree that it should be 'ρvxdydz' but i am pretty sure this is what the book says 'ρvx|x=0 = dy dz', i think its a mistake.

I have another question please, it then says that the flux out of the opposing face is
ρvx|x=dx dydz
which i understand but then it equates this equation with the following
[ρvx + ∂ (ρvx)/∂x dx] dydz
which i do not understand, how was the partial derivative introduced and why?

thanks,
 


Summer2442 said:
yes what i meant is "along the positive x-direction"

but about the flux into the volume, i agree that it should be 'ρvxdydz' but i am pretty sure this is what the book says 'ρvx|x=0 = dy dz', i think its a mistake.
Yes, it is a typo. It should be ρvx|x=0dxdy.

Summer2442 said:
I have another question please, it then says that the flux out of the opposing face is
ρvx|x=dx dydz
which i understand but then it equates this equation with the following
[ρvx + ∂ (ρvx)/∂x dx] dydz
which i do not understand, how was the partial derivative introduced and why?

thanks,
The second expression is a linear approximation of the first one.

Recall that (ρvx|x=dx - ρvx|x=0)/dx ≈ ∂(ρvx)/∂x|x=0.
 


i think it is talking about mass flow rate... density X velocity X area=flow rate..or more precisely mass flow rate..it says rho X V X x such that at x=0 area is dy dz..for differential element the area perpendicular to flow in x direction is dydz...
the second thing is taylor's theorem is being applied here..which means when fluid has flowed a length dx its mass flowrate has changed depnding upon dx..that is why patial derivative is introduced here..
 
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Ok I get it now, thanks guys.
 

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