What does the 'X' mean in the Mueller matrix rotation equation?

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of the 'X' in the context of the Mueller matrix rotation equation, specifically regarding its meaning in the equation format presented in a polarimetry text. Participants explore the implications of this notation and its relation to matrix multiplication.

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  • Islahna questions the meaning of the 'X' in the equation for the resulting Mueller matrix after rotation, noting that it appears to imply a cross product, which is typically associated with vectors.
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the notation, with one suggesting that it may simply represent ordinary matrix multiplication.
  • Islahna shares a response from the author of the text, indicating that the 'X' is indeed meant to denote matrix multiplication and is a continuation of the equation onto a second line.
  • There is a recognition of the potential for confusion caused by the notation used in the text.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the initial interpretation of the 'X', but there is agreement on the clarification provided by the author regarding its meaning as matrix multiplication.

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The discussion highlights the challenges faced by those new to the topic, particularly regarding notation that may not be standard or intuitive.

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Hi,
I have a basic question on Mueller matrix which I came across upon reading through the Handbook of Optic, chapter 22 polarimetry. It says that :-

when a polarization element with Mueller matrix M is rotated about the beam of light by an angle \theta such that the angle of incident is unchanged, the resulting Mueller matrix M is :

= M(\theta)
= R(\theta) M R(-\theta)
= [matrix elements of R(\theta)] [matrix elements of M] X [matrix elements of R(-theta)]

My question is, what does the "X" mean here..
From my reading, the cross product is used with vector. This time, it's a matrix.

Sorry if this is too basic, I've just started brushing up my matrix since college.

Appreciate any help.

regards,
--islahna
 
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Hi islahna! Welcome to PF! :smile:
islahna said:
… when a polarization element with Mueller matrix M is rotated about the beam of light by an angle \theta such that the angle of incident is unchanged, the resulting Mueller matrix M is :

= M(\theta)
= R(\theta) M R(-\theta)
= [matrix elements of R(\theta)] [matrix elements of M] X [matrix elements of R(-theta)]

My question is, what does the "X" mean here..

I don't know what that X is doing there …

in fact, I don't understand what that third line
[matrix elements of R(\theta)] [matrix elements of M] X [matrix elements of R(-theta)]

is supposed to mean at all. :confused:

The first and second lines, effectively M' = RMR-1, are just the standard formula for the effect of rotation R on matrix M …

it's ordinary matrix mulitplication. :smile:
 
hi tiny-tim,
thank you so much for the insight. I'll take it as ordinary matrix mulitplication for now.
But I'm still curious, why they use that X sign, has got to be something ..mm.

thanks,
--islahna
 
islahna said:
But I'm still curious, why they use that X sign, has got to be something ..mm.

Hi islahna! :smile:

dunno :confused:

i don't have a copy of that book …

can you scan it? :smile:
 
hi tiny-tim,

I've contacted the author since and the following is the snippet from his response that I'd like to share.
Hope it clarifies any doubts ..

------- start -------

The x in Eq. 12 & 13 is just matrix multiplication and is there because the equation continued onto a second line. I understand how these little things can be so difficult to those starting who need the information the most.
------- end -----------

thanks you.

--islahna
 
islahna said:
I've contacted the author …

Well done! :biggrin:

Duh :rolleyes: … an author trying to avoid one source of confusion by creating another one! :rolleyes:
 

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