News What drives the creator of fake news to continue?

[Evo]

I think saying it is a despicable act is very expressive. Just for the information of the people who run this forum, I like the profanity filter and the PF quality control in general. This is the only social media I am on now, because there is moderation or, if you prefer, censorship. So I say thanks to PF for providing at least one place where there can be a civil discussion, without nastiness. I also like the absence of pseudoscience. Long live editorial standards!

Drakkith's quote was from November of 2016 about fake news about Clinton and Trump, just for those that don't know. It has nothing to do with what is being discussed now.

 

[zoobyshoe]

OK, NBC is now saying Comey, himself, took Trump aside on Fri. (Jan 6th), after the briefing, and told him about the dossier of British memos:

President-elect Donald Trump was informed about the existence of the unverified allegations against him about Russian ties after last Friday's Intel briefing at Trump Tower on alleged Russian hacking, U.S. officials told NBC News.

A senior U.S. official said that it was FBI Director James Comey himself who pulled Trump aside after the briefing and spoke with him one-on-one about the so-called "dossier," 35 pages of memos prepared by a former British spy for an anti-Trump client prior to last year's election.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fbi-s-comey-told-trump-about-russia-dossier-after-intel-n706416

 

[nsaspook]

OK, NBC is now saying Comey, himself, took Trump aside on Fri. (Jan 6th), after the briefing, and told him about the dossier of British memos:http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fbi-s-comey-told-trump-about-russia-dossier-after-intel-n706416

That makes the news stories about Trump, the annex and source British dossier compatible.
They didn't use the 2 page annex in the briefing, Trump was never given the 2 page annex and Comey talked about 'dirt' from the "dossier" not from the annex. I guess this shows why leaks of this type (to CNN) are so irresponsible.

 

[zoobyshoe]

Trump was never given the 2 page annex...

There's actually nothing in my link that says or implies he wasn't given the addendum when Comey talked to him.

...and Comey talked about 'dirt' from the "dossier" not from the annex.

The addendum ("annex") was a two page synopsis of the dossier. They're therefore equally 'dirty'. One is just more detailed than the other.

I guess this shows why leaks of this type (to CNN) are so irresponsible.

Even if we stipulate for the sake of argument CNN was misinformed that he was given the short, soft version rather than the long hard version, the core information, that he was briefed on Fri. Jan 6th about the dossier, is intact.

 

[nsaspook]

Even if we stipulate for the sake of argument CNN was misinformed that he was given the short, soft version rather than the long hard version, the core information, that he was briefed on Fri. Jan 6th about the dossier, is intact.

I will stipulate that Comey talked about possible 'dirt' associated with these rumors but it was after the briefing.

"senior U.S. official said that it was FBI Director James Comey himself who pulled Trump aside after the briefing"

 

[zoobyshoe]

I will stipulate that Comey talked about possible 'dirt' associated with these rumors but it was after the briefing.

"senior U.S. official said that it was FBI Director James Comey himself who pulled Trump aside after the briefing"

Comey briefed Trump in the one-on-one after-briefing briefing, not in the main briefing. Those who assert Trump was not briefed about the synopsis in the Fri. briefing are referring to the main briefing. The after-briefing briefing was a separate briefing that also took place on Fri. Jan 6th right after the main briefing. Whether or not Comey used the synopsis (the after-dossier dossier) or the main dossier to brief Trump in the after-briefing briefing, is not revealed in the NBCnews link.

 

[mheslep]

Comey briefed Trump in the one-on-one after-briefing briefing...

NBC says, once again per annonymous US (i.e. Obama administration ) officials.

 

[zoobyshoe]

in our circles this looks and sounds like a pathetic, desperate smear campaign that just isn't working.

This is just me talking, but I think Trump's big mistake here is trying to defend himself from it as if it were what you say it is. What I mean by that, is that he is treating stuff in the dossier as allegations against him he has to defend himself from, instead of seeing it as a possibly accurate picture of how Russian officials are talking to each other about him for their own political purposes within the Russian government. It provides a lot of detail about their infighting he ought to be investigating as a possible way to manipulate them.

I'm almost finished reading it, and am surprised no journalists have pointed out that it is a lot less about Trump than you'd expect and more about Russian officials maneuvering against each other for status.

Atlantic did have this interesting article explaining how "Kompromat" is such an important part of Russian government:

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/01/kompromat-trump-dossier/512891/

While it's very unlikely they have the described compromising tape of Trump, you can see from that article how one element of the Russian Govt. simply claiming it has such a tape would give it power and status in their intramural conflicts.

Some of the key players (aside from Putin, of course) described in the dossier by "sources close to...":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Medvedev
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Ivanov
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Peskov

 

[Evo]

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