What Happens to a Pendulum's Height at a 90-Degree Angle?

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The discussion revolves around a pendulum problem involving a ball and string, where the pendulum is lifted to a height of 10 cm, and the question asks for the height when the string is at a 90-degree angle to the vertical. Participants express confusion regarding the wording and assumptions of the problem.

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  • Participants question the clarity of the problem's wording, particularly regarding what is being lifted and the meaning of "h." There are discussions about the implications of the string being at a 90-degree angle and whether the ball can reach that position without additional force. Some suggest that the problem may be trivial or lacking necessary information.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of the problem. Some have attempted to break down the scenario step-by-step, while others are raising concerns about the feasibility of the pendulum reaching the specified angle without further clarification. No consensus has been reached yet.

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There are indications that the problem may be poorly worded or incomplete, leading to confusion about the initial conditions and the mechanics involved in reaching a 90-degree angle with the string.

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1.2. If a ball and string pendulum is pulled and lifted to a height = 10 cm and the length of the string is 1 m what will be the value of h when the string makes an angle of 90 degree with the vertical? Please ignore the 0.5 m it should be a h = 10 cm or 0.1 m the diagram is to provide a description of how this question is worded.

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2.c2 = a2 + b2 = b2 = c2 – a2, T sin theta – mg = 0



3. 1 m – 0.1 m = 0.9 m
c2 = a2 + b2 = b2 = c2 – a2
b2 = 12 – 0.92
b2 = 1 – 0.81
b2 = 0.19
b = √(0.19) = 0.4
= cos-1 (0.4) = 66 degrees
 
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Is that really how the question is worded? It's very confusing. A pendulum with a ball and string, or the pendulum isa ball and string? What exactly is lifted to a height of 10cm, and relative to what? I assume h is the height of the ball (relative to the same baseline). 90 degrees to the vertical? So the string goes horizontal somehow? Won't it need to be pushed to do that?
 
1.2. If a pendulum with a ball and string is lifted to a height = 10 cm and the length of the string is 1 m what will be the value of h when the string makes an angle of 90 degree with the vertical?


Very badly worded question. Doubly confusing because it asks for a dimension "h" but your final answer is an angle in degrees.

The only way I can get an answer from the question is to assume it's really simple...

First the pendulum starts hanging vertically. h = height of ball = 0?
Then the ball, string, and pivot is lifted 10cm vertically? h = 0+0.01m
Then the ball is swung up to the horizontal. h = 0+0.01+1.0
In which case ball and pivot end up at h = 1.01m.

Clearly that's not right?
 
A chain is being yanked.
 
OK, the diagram helps, but there's still something unclear. Why will the string ever be 90 deg to the vertical? If you let the ball go, it won't get there. So I assume it is lifted further, keeping the string taut. But in that case it becomes a trivial geometry problem, there's no kinetic interest, and the initial h = 0.1m is irrelevant.
 
Our problem is that the question is either very easy/trivial or missing some information.

If the ball is simply released from 0.1m the ball won't (and can't) swing up to the horizontal.

If the ball is lifted by hand until the string is horizontal then the starting value (0.1m) is irrelevant to the problem.
 

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