What happens to the energy in destructive interference?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of destructive interference in wave phenomena, particularly focusing on the behavior of light waves from lasers that are perfectly out of phase. Participants explore the implications of energy distribution during destructive interference and question the fate of the energy involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions where the energy goes during destructive interference and how it can be retrieved, suggesting that waves cancel each other out.
  • Another participant notes that destructive interference occurs only at specific points in space, while constructive interference occurs elsewhere, affecting the probability of detection in quantum mechanics.
  • A participant emphasizes the need for two lasers to be perfectly aligned and synchronized to achieve destructive interference, highlighting the idealized nature of the scenario.
  • It is mentioned that energy does not disappear but is redistributed to areas where waves reinforce each other, leading to brighter regions.
  • Some participants assert that it is impossible to achieve destructive interference everywhere with two distinct coherent sources, as constructive interference will occur simultaneously in other locations.
  • One participant critiques the limitations of AI-generated responses to complex factual questions, implying that such systems may not provide satisfactory explanations.
  • A later reply expresses gratitude for the clarifications provided by other participants.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that destructive interference cannot occur everywhere with distinct coherent sources and that energy is redistributed rather than lost. However, there remains some uncertainty regarding the specifics of energy behavior and the ideal conditions required for such interference.

Contextual Notes

The discussion involves idealized scenarios that may not fully account for practical limitations, such as beam divergence and the nature of coherent sources. There are also unresolved questions about the exact mechanisms of energy distribution during interference.

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I asked Chat GPT this but could'nt get a satisfactory answer. I felt he was making it up as he went along.

In principle it should be possible to set up two lasers emitting the same frequency and synchronize them so they are perfectly out of phase so that both beams destructively interfere.

I can understand all the waves cancel each other out but where does the energy go and how can you get it back?
 
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rocknrollkieran said:
TL;DR Summary: energy destructive interference

I asked Chat GPT this but could'nt get a satisfactory answer. I felt he was making it up as he went along.

In principle it should be possible to set up two lasers emitting the same frequency and synchronize them so they are perfectly out of phase so that both beams destructively interfere.

I can understand all the waves cancel each other out but where does the energy go and how can you get it back?
They can only destructively interfere at certain points in space - and will constructively interfere elsewhere.

In the QM picture, that means that the probability of an interaction of the light with a detector has a higher probability in some places than in others - and at some points in space it the probability of a detection may effectively be zero.
 
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rocknrollkieran said:
In principle it should be possible to set up two lasers emitting the same frequency and synchronize them so they are perfectly out of phase so that both beams destructively interfere.
The two beams would have to be going in exactly the same direction through the same space with zero beam divergence. That means two infinitely wide lasers, one behind the other and somehow firing through the one infront without disrupting its operation at all. If you imagine that the waves are "just there" without any source then they always cancel everywhere and there never was a wave with any energy to worry about - it's the wave physics version of having no apples and trying to understand it as having +1 apple and -1 apple.

Essentially, you are imagining an idealised picture of perfect plane waves. That kind of picture can be useful because the maths is often simpler than a more realistic case and the errors can be small under some circumstances. But here you are asking about one of the errors that arises from that simplification, which is where the energy goes. It goes into the parts of the waves that don't cancel - i.e., where they reinforce each other and produce a brighter region.
 
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As others have said, it is not possible to get destructive interference everywhere with two distinct coherent sources. When there is destructive interference somewhere there will be constructive interference elsewhere

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Ibix said:
That means two infinitely wide lasers, one behind the other and somehow firing through the one infront without disrupting its operation at all.
Two identical amplitude waves, would need to be emitted by the same source, but with a 180° phase difference. There are no waves, no energy is involved.
 
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rocknrollkieran said:
I asked Chat GPT this but could'nt get a satisfactory answer. I felt he was making it up as he went along.
Not surprising that you couldn't get a satisfactory answer - chatgpt is designed in such a way that it doesn't work well with factual questions that you couldn't have answered with your own Google search. And yes, of course it was "making it as it goes along", it's a computer program that arranges words in patterns until it comes up with one that you like.
 
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Many thanks all for the considered replies, and clarifying that for me
 
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