Destructive interference in Unpolarised light

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The discussion revolves around the concept of destructive interference in unpolarised light, particularly in the context of Young's double slit experiment. Participants explore the nature of unpolarised light, its intensity, and the conditions under which interference occurs, including coherence and polarization aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how perfectly unpolarised light can produce intensity, suggesting that if electric field vectors are equal in magnitude in every direction, there should be no net electric field and thus no intensity.
  • Another participant points out that the assumption of completely coherent and monochromatic light is not applicable to ordinary light sources, emphasizing that incoherent waves add energies rather than amplitudes.
  • A participant challenges the definition of unpolarised light, arguing that while the electric field vector may change direction over time, it is well-defined at any single instant.
  • Another participant clarifies that unpolarised light means polarization changes faster than detection capabilities and occurs randomly, but at any instant, polarization is well-defined. They also discuss the conditions under which interference fringes can be observed based on coherence time.
  • One participant notes that a continuous wave (CW) source cannot produce unpolarised radiation, suggesting that unpolarised light typically arises from a combination of orthogonal antennas driven by noise generators.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definition and implications of unpolarised light, coherence, and the conditions for observing interference. No consensus is reached on these points.

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Limitations include assumptions about coherence and the definitions of unpolarised light, which may vary among participants. The discussion does not resolve the complexities surrounding these concepts.

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Destructive interference is excellently demonstrated in Young's double slit experiment, where dark regions are formed due the waves being out of phase. However, what really confuses me is that unpolarised light has intensity.

Assuming we had perfectly unpolarised light, as in where the electric field vectors are equal in magnitude in every direction at a single point in space (basically different waves destructively interfering), how does that beam of light produce intensity? In fact for this perfectly unpolarised light beam, shouldn’t we detect nothing, as there is never a NET electric field and thus no intensity?

So can someone explain how somehow in the double slit experiment there is 0 intensity in destructive interference yet unpolarised light DOES have intensity?

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You're also assuming completely coherent light, so that each wave in each plane reaches the same intensity at the same instant. And you're assuming monochromatic light, so all the phase relationships are constant. Neither of those things is true with an ordinary light source. When waves add incoherently, their energies add.
 
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Assuming we had perfectly unpolarised light, as in where the electric field vectors are equal in magnitude in every direction at a single point in space
Where did you find this definition of unpolarised light? It doesn't seem right to me. I'd agree that, over time, you will find the electric field vector at a given point does at some time point in every available direction, but the direction at a point at a single instant is well-defined. It just doesn't tell you anything about the direction at any other point, or at any other time.
 
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Unpolarized light simply means that polarization of light changes faster than the detection capability of your apparatus. It also means that polarization changes in a random fashion. But polarization at any instant is well-defined. When you start doing Young's interference you have (e.g.) two copies of electric field that you guided along different paths. Let's say that electric field on the screen is given by:

##\mathbf{E(t)}=\mathbf{E}_1 (t) + \mathbf{E}_2 (t)##

Where ##\mathbf{E}_{1,2}## are the electric fields guided along different paths. Let's simplify and say that the only difference between them is that ##\mathbf{E}_{1}=\mathbf{E}_0 (t-t_1)## and ##\mathbf{E}_{2}=\mathbf{E}_0 (t-t_2)##, where ##\mathbf{E}_0 ## is the original source. So we are saying the two interfering fields are simply routed through two delay lines.

If the source is random, there is usually some sort of coherence time ##\tau## within which the randomness of the source is negligible. So as long as ##t_2-t_1<\tau## you will see interference fringes. Note, than one often talks of coherence length ##L=c \tau##, where ##c## is the speed of light.
 
Interestingly, if we have a pure CW source we cannot obtain unpolarised radiation from it. A classical source of unpolarised light consists of two orthogonal antennas each driven by a noise generator.
 

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