What Integers Between -100 and 400 Satisfy Specific Modular Conditions?

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The discussion revolves around finding integers within the interval $[-100, 400]$ that satisfy specific modular conditions: having a remainder of $2$ when divided by $11$ and a remainder of $3$ when divided by $13$. The participants explore different methods for solving this problem, including the use of the Chinese Remainder Theorem and algebraic manipulation.

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  • Some participants propose using the congruences $x \equiv 2 \mod 11$ and $x \equiv 3 \mod 13$ to derive a general solution for $x$.
  • One participant suggests an alternative method of solving the problem by first expressing $x$ in terms of $13l + 3$ and then finding common solutions within the specified interval.
  • Another participant notes that the alternative method is more labor-intensive but may be feasible due to the limited range of integers.
  • A later reply introduces a diophantine equation approach, providing a detailed solution process and referencing a specific mathematical resource for further illustration.
  • One participant shares a solution derived through basic algebra, equating two expressions for $N$ and determining integer values for $a$ and $b$ that satisfy the modular conditions.

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Participants generally agree on the modular conditions and the methods to approach the problem, but there are differing opinions on the efficiency and practicality of the various methods proposed. The discussion remains unresolved regarding which method is superior or if there are additional solutions.

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Some participants note that the complexity of the problem may increase with different intervals or conditions, suggesting that the methods discussed may not be universally applicable without further adjustments.

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Hello! :)
I am given the following exercise:
Which integers of the interval: $[-100,400]$ have the identity: divided by $11$,the remainder is $2$ and divided by $13$,the remainder is $3$.

It is like that:
$[x]_{11}=[2]_{11} \Rightarrow x \equiv 2(\mod 11) \Rightarrow 11 \mid x-2 \Rightarrow x=11k+2, k \in \mathbb{Z} (*) $
Also, $[x]_{13}=[3]_{13} \Rightarrow x \equiv 3(mod 13) $
$(*) \Rightarrow 11k+2 \equiv 3(\mod 13) \Rightarrow 11k=1 (\mod 13) \Rightarrow [11] [k]=[1] \text{ in } \mathbb{Z}_{13} \Rightarrow [k]=[6] \Rightarrow k \equiv 6(\mod 13) \Rightarrow k=13l+6, l \in \mathbb{Z}$
Then, from the relation $(*)$, $x=11(13l+6)+2$ and we find the values of $x$ from the relation: $-100 \leq x \leq 400$.Instead of doing it like that:
$[x]_{13}=[3]_{13} \Rightarrow x \equiv 3(mod 13) $
$(*) \Rightarrow 11k+2 \equiv 3(\mod 13) \Rightarrow 11k=1 (\mod 13) \Rightarrow [11] [k]=[1] \text{ in } \mathbb{Z}_{13} \Rightarrow [k]=[6] \Rightarrow k \equiv 6(\mod 13) \Rightarrow k=13l+6, l \in \mathbb{Z}$

Could I do it also like that:
$x=3+13l,l \in \mathbb{Z}$,and find also the values of $x$ for which the relation $-100 \leq x \leq 400$ stand and then the solution will be the common $x$s ?
 
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evinda said:
Hello! :)
I am given the following exercise:
Which integers of the interval: $[-100,400]$ have the identity: divided by $11$,the remainder is $2$ and divided by $13$,the remainder is $3$.

It is like that:
$[x]_{11}=[2]_{11} \Rightarrow x \equiv 2(\mod 11) \Rightarrow 11 \mid x-2 \Rightarrow x=11k+2, k \in \mathbb{Z} (*) $
Also, $[x]_{13}=[3]_{13} \Rightarrow x \equiv 3(mod 13) $
$(*) \Rightarrow 11k+2 \equiv 3(\mod 13) \Rightarrow 11k=1 (\mod 13) \Rightarrow [11] [k]=[1] \text{ in } \mathbb{Z}_{13} \Rightarrow [k]=[6] \Rightarrow k \equiv 6(\mod 13) \Rightarrow k=13l+6, l \in \mathbb{Z}$
Then, from the relation $(*)$, $x=11(13l+6)+2$ and we find the values of $x$ from the relation: $-100 \leq x \leq 400$.Instead of doing it like that:
$[x]_{13}=[3]_{13} \Rightarrow x \equiv 3(mod 13) $
$(*) \Rightarrow 11k+2 \equiv 3(\mod 13) \Rightarrow 11k=1 (\mod 13) \Rightarrow [11] [k]=[1] \text{ in } \mathbb{Z}_{13} \Rightarrow [k]=[6] \Rightarrow k \equiv 6(\mod 13) \Rightarrow k=13l+6, l \in \mathbb{Z}$

Could I do it also like that:
$x=3+13l,l \in \mathbb{Z}$,and find also the values of $x$ for which the relation $-100 \leq x \leq 400$ stand and then the solution will be the common $x$s ?

Hi! :o

Yes. You can also do it like that (the second way)... for this problem.

It should be clear that it is a lot more work.
And it only works because the integers have been limited to an interval that is not too big.

Are you perchance working on a chapter titled Chinese Remainder Theorem?

I suspect you will get more problems that are more complicated, so that you will have to do it the first way.
 
I like Serena said:
Hi! :o

Yes. You can also do it like that (the second way)... for this problem.

It should be clear that it is a lot more work.
And it only works because the integers have been limited to an interval that is not too big.

Are you perchance working on a chapter titled Chinese Remainder Theorem?

I suspect you will get more problems that are more complicated, so that you will have to do it the first way.

I understand!Thank you very much! ;)
Yes,I am working on a chapter with this title.. (Nod)
 
evinda said:
Hello! :)
I am given the following exercise:
Which integers of the interval: $[-100,400]$ have the identity: divided by $11$,the remainder is $2$ and divided by $13$,the remainder is $3$.

It is like that:
$[x]_{11}=[2]_{11} \Rightarrow x \equiv 2(\mod 11) \Rightarrow 11 \mid x-2 \Rightarrow x=11k+2, k \in \mathbb{Z} (*) $
Also, $[x]_{13}=[3]_{13} \Rightarrow x \equiv 3(mod 13) $
$(*) \Rightarrow 11k+2 \equiv 3(\mod 13) \Rightarrow 11k=1 (\mod 13) \Rightarrow [11] [k]=[1] \text{ in } \mathbb{Z}_{13} \Rightarrow [k]=[6] \Rightarrow k \equiv 6(\mod 13) \Rightarrow k=13l+6, l \in \mathbb{Z}$
Then, from the relation $(*)$, $x=11(13l+6)+2$ and we find the values of $x$ from the relation: $-100 \leq x \leq 400$.Instead of doing it like that:
$[x]_{13}=[3]_{13} \Rightarrow x \equiv 3(mod 13) $
$(*) \Rightarrow 11k+2 \equiv 3(\mod 13) \Rightarrow 11k=1 (\mod 13) \Rightarrow [11] [k]=[1] \text{ in } \mathbb{Z}_{13} \Rightarrow [k]=[6] \Rightarrow k \equiv 6(\mod 13) \Rightarrow k=13l+6, l \in \mathbb{Z}$

Could I do it also like that:
$x=3+13l,l \in \mathbb{Z}$,and find also the values of $x$ for which the relation $-100 \leq x \leq 400$ stand and then the solution will be the common $x$s ?

The diophantine equation You have to solve is...

$\displaystyle x \equiv 2\ \text{mod}\ 11$

$\displaystyle x \equiv 3\ \text{mod}\ 13\ (1)$

The solving procedure is illustrated in...

http://mathhelpboards.com/number-theory-27/applications-diophantine-equations-6029-post28283.html#post28283

Here is $N = n_{1}\ n_{2} = 143$ so that $N_{1}=13 \implies \lambda_{1} = 13^{- 1} \text{mod}\ 11 = 6$ and $N_{2}=11 \implies \lambda_{2} = 11^{- 1} \text{mod}\ 13 = 6$. The solution is...

$\displaystyle x = (2 \cdot 6 \cdot 13 + 3 \cdot 6 \cdot 11)\ \text{mod}\ 143 = 68\ \text{mod}\ 143\ (2)$

... so that the requested numbers are -75, 68, 211, 354...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
Hello, evinda!

I solved it with basic algebra.

Which integers on the interval: [-100,400] have the identity:
divided by 11,the remainder is 2,
and divided by 13,the remainder is 3.
We have: .\begin{Bmatrix}N &=& 11a + 2 & [1] \\ N &=& 13b + 3 & [2]\end{Bmatrix}

Equate [1] and [2]: .11a + 2 \:=\:13b + 3

. . a \:=\:\frac{13b+1}{11} \quad\Rightarrow\quad a \:=\:b + \frac{2b+1}{11}\;\;[3]

Since a is an integer, 2b+1 must be a multiple of 11.

This first happens when b = 5
. . and in general when b = 5+11k.

Sustitute into [3]: .a \:=\: (5+11k) + \frac{2(5+11k) + 1}{11}
. . which simplifies to: .a \:=\:13k+6

Substitute into [1]:
. . N \:=\:11(13k+6) + 2 \quad\Rightarrow\quad N \:=\:143k + 68

For k = 1,2, we have: .N \:=\:211,\,354
 

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