What is a looking into resistance?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of "looking into" resistance in transistor circuits, particularly how it relates to the resistance seen by components in a circuit. Participants explore the theoretical and practical implications of this concept, referencing Thevenin and Norton theorems, and the measurement of impedance in various scenarios.

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  • One participant seeks clarification on the term "looking into" resistance, noting its frequent mention in textbooks without adequate explanation.
  • Another participant describes the process of "looking into" resistance as involving the conceptual cutting of a circuit to analyze the effective resistance or impedance seen by a device.
  • A different viewpoint introduces the idea of measuring input resistance by applying a voltage source and using Ohm's law (R = V/I), emphasizing the importance of defining an input before making measurements.
  • One participant mentions the use of Thevenin and Norton theorems to simplify complex circuits into manageable components, highlighting the practical benefits of these approaches.
  • A participant provides a practical example involving an amplifier, discussing how different measurement tools would perceive resistance and impedance, including considerations of capacitance at high frequencies.
  • Another participant expresses gratitude for the insights shared, indicating a clearer understanding of the topic after the discussion.

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Participants express varying degrees of understanding and interpretation of "looking into" resistance, with some clarifying the concept while others raise concerns about potential confusion. No consensus is reached on a singular definition or approach.

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Participants note the dependence on definitions and the importance of context when discussing input and output resistance. The discussion highlights the complexity of measuring impedance and the influence of circuit components on perceived resistance.

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This discussion may be useful for students and practitioners in electronics and electrical engineering, particularly those studying transistor circuits and impedance measurement techniques.

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What is a "looking into" resistance?

I'm studying transistor circuits at the moment and my textbook has mentioned the "resistance" looking into one of the terminals several times. Also mentioned is the resistance "seen" by a component. I've seen this in previous textbooks (especially with Thevenin) as well but just ignored it since it seemed I could do without it, but now it's just gotten to be too annoying.

They never explain what it means and just pop it in out of nowhere and it's difficult to understand (at least for me) from the context. I also searched the Internet but surprisingly there isn't a thing.
 
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This means that you pretend to cut the circuit in two. When I've seen this, it's always two nodes like ground and some other wire.

The two wires are connected to the terminals of the divice loaded by whatever you've cut-away. Now look at the effective resistance or impedence of the cut-way part. This is what the device 'sees' as it's load resistance, assuming it's driving into it.

I say 'assuming it's driving into it', because this is the usual problem you get in textbooks. You can also look into the driver--the other half, and calculate it's impedence.
 


Basically, introduce a voltage source at the input of a circuit , and measure current flowing into it. The resistance is given by the ohm's law R = V/I

So that's the resistance as it appears at the input. If you connect some other circuit to the input, it would be the same as if it were connected to a resistor R.

Output impedance is similar. Short the output of a circuit, and measure voltage and current. R_out is V/I

Thevenin and Norton theorems go one step further, and can reduce a complicated circuit with gazillion of components (as long as it's linear) into a voltage or a current source with an appropriate output resistance. Which is better than having to worry about gazillions of components in a circuit.
 


what said:
Basically, introduce a voltage source at the input of a circuit , and measure current flowing into it. The resistance is given by the ohm's law R = V/I

I think you're in danger of confusing the student. There is no 'input' until you define one.
 


See attached diagram.

If you were looking into the input of this amplifier, you would just see a resistor and a FET.
Humans can't see impedance.

But if you were a multimeter measuring ohms, you would see 100 K ohms in parallel with the almost infinite input resistance of the FET.

If you were an impedance bridge you would see this 100 K but you would also see a lot of Miller capacitance which at a high enough frequency would be enough to make this amplifer appear to be a low impedance input.

So, it is just an expression used as a way of explaining something.
 

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I understand it much more clearly now. Thank you very, very much for your help everyone, I really appreciate it.
 

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