Art What is England? A Part of the UK & Its Sovereigns

[SW VandeCarr]

There you are then. England is a constituent unit of the U.K.

And from the topics listed, it appears to be unique only as a geographical region, and as is the case here in the colonies, a place with associated sports teams.

Kind of like New Jersey I guess.

There you go English people! Set up your Witan now or you'll be compared to New Jersey!

 

[JaredJames]

Besides, you're Welsh. This conversation is between me and the English.

As one of the main contributors to this thread I think that's very rude, especially when the majority of people responding here aren't English and are only trying to help you.

You aren't British and clearly have many misconceptions about how the people here see their country. You have constantly implied that the system you are recommending would be beneficial for England and yet have supplied no direct evidence as to why, and I haven't seen any English persons within this thread agree with you.

I honestly don't know why you believe I should remove myself from this thread, especially seeing as I've lived in England for the last 4 years and as such I feel I can provide an alternate view point regarding the English and the UK, especially when it comes to your proposals and how they would impact on my own situation.

But hey, if you don't want it, fine. Perhaps all the non-English people here should stop responding and then see how long this thread stays alive.

 

[Studiot]

If I may be permitted a small grammatical correction:

"Between me and the English" should be rephrased "between the English and myself"

Incidentally if you think that that the current situation is complicated how about that chunk of land between England and Wales that both used to reject?

There used to be a time when the BBC would list

'England' and then 'Wales and Monmouth'

Now that's more like New Jersey.

 

[SW VandeCarr]

If I may be permitted a small grammatical correction:

"Between me and the English" should be rephrased "between the English and myself"

Hmmm. What's the rule for that? Since 'between" is a preposition, it assigns the object case which is "me". I suppose it could be "myself" too, but why is it required?

Incidentally if you think that that the current situation is complicated how about that chunk of land between England and Wales that both used to reject?

There used to be a time when the BBC would list

'England' and then 'Wales and Monmouth'

Now that's more like New Jersey.

I've traveled the world. There is no place like New Jersey. (Now I'll probably get an angry response from New Jersey but they will have read more into the statement than what I said.)

So what's wrong with Monmouth? Don't they pay their taxes?

 

[Studiot]

Actually the case associated with prepositions is a deal more complicated than just using the accusative.

Take for instance

Although she could chose Fred or Jim, she could not chose between them.

Both Fred and Jim are in the accusative and therefore so the personal pronoun (them).

but

She hit the golf ball between the rough and the sand.

Here, neither the rough, nor the sand are in the accusative. they are in the dative case.

This conversation is between the English and myself

Here the myself is reflexive. We also normally put things is the illustrated order (for politeness I think)

 

[Lt_Dax]

I am English, and I consider myself both English and British - the two identities don't contradict each other, because one is a subset of the other. I can be patriotic for England and Britain without confusion.

As for whether England is a "country", it really depends on what you mean. If you define a country in a historical, cultural, linguistic sense, then by some or all of these measures, England is a country. But in the sense most people discuss (political, geographic, economic) England is not a country, because in that sense most people mean a Sovereign state, which England is not.

The discussion I had on the American colonies forum (I know it looks like only one post, but Evo deleted all of the rest, and gave me two 'infractions' as punishment for disagreeing with her) talks about events which are clearly geopolitical. In that sense, the USA wasn't fighting England at all, it was fighting Britain. England is often used as a euphemism for the UK by Americans, but this is an abuse of terminology (imagine how this sounds to a Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish person).