What is stiffness in a material

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The discussion revolves around the concept of stiffness in materials, specifically contrasting Young's modulus (E) with a stiffness parameter (s) defined in terms of force, area, and length. Participants explore the definitions, interpretations, and implications of stiffness in both material and structural contexts.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about the relationship between Young's modulus (E) and a stiffness parameter (s), questioning why both are referred to as stiffness despite E being part of the definition of s.
  • Another participant clarifies that E is a material property indicating how much a material will strain under stress, while stiffness (s) for a member is defined as AE/L, which incorporates geometry and loading conditions.
  • It is noted that stiffness can also be defined in terms of flexural modulus, suggesting a broader interpretation of stiffness beyond axial loading.
  • Participants discuss that while steel has a higher modulus E than aluminum, a short piece of aluminum can exhibit greater stiffness than a long piece of steel due to structural properties.
  • One participant agrees with the original poster's conclusion about the differing interpretations of stiffness but emphasizes the importance of context in defining stiffness.
  • There is a discussion about the units of elasticity, with one participant noting that since strain is dimensionless, the units of E must match those of stress, leading to further exploration of its interpretation.

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Participants exhibit some agreement on the definitions of stiffness in material versus structural contexts, but there remains disagreement and confusion regarding the terminology and implications of stiffness as it relates to Young's modulus and the stiffness parameter.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of defining stiffness, with participants pointing out that definitions can vary based on material properties versus structural configurations. There is also uncertainty regarding the interpretation of units for Young's modulus.

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not a problem from anything just a question i have.
problem:
I know that youngs modulus (E) is known as stiffness. but when solving for elongation you can write e=FL/AE as F=se where s=AE/L and s is also known as stiffness. so I'm confused why is s and E known as stiffness when E is in the definition of s. what exactly is the stiffens that s talks about and E talks about?

attempt at sol:
I see the units of s are N/m so i think that the interpretation for s is the same as for a spring constant ie. a certain amount of force will cause a certain displacement F/k=x. for E, i know that stress=strain*E, so that a certain stress will cause a certain strain ie. stress/E=strain.

conclusion:
so i think that the stiffness that E talks about is more like how difficult is it to strain by a certain percentage a certain object. as oppose the stiffness that s talks about is more of how difficult is it to move a point certain distance. but I'm still confused on how to interpret the units of E. I know that for k its N/m so i read it as "Newton for every meter" but for E its N/m^2 so i think its more like "Newton for every Area"? if so what area.
please correct me if I'm wrong thanks.
 
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The modulus of elasticity (E) is not known as stiffness. Stiffness for an axially loaded compression or tension member, as you noted (which you defined as s, but which is typically noted as k as in Hooke's law F=kx), is AE/L. Beam bending stiffness is a function of E,I,L and boundary conditions . E by itself is a property of the material only, which is a measure of how much the material will strain under stress.

For example, steel has a modulus E which is 3 times greater than aluminum. But a short piece of aluminum might have a greater stiffness than a long piece of steel.
 
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Stiffness is usually defined by flexural modulus.
 
The confusion is in the term 'stiffness' and how it is defined.

Based on properties of the material alone, steel is, 'materially' speaking , stiffer than aluminum, since it has a higher E modulus, and will strain less than aluminum under a given stress.

But based on the properties of the structural member, including E, A, L, and I, then, 'structurally' speaking, a short/stubby piece of aluminum will be stiffer than a long/slender piece of steel, since it will deform less under a given load. This definition is consistent with Hooke's law definition of stiffness for axially loaded members.

Actually, the conclusion reached by the OP is excellent.

Regarding the question of the units for Elasticity,which is stress/strain, it must have the same units as stress since strain is a dimensionless quantity. I think of elasticity as the stress in a member that would exist at 100 percent strain, that is, the stress in the member that would exist when it was elongated by a force causing it to stretch twice it's original length ( assuming a perfectly elastic material of perhaps unimaginable strength).
 
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