What Is the Acceleration at Point A Above a Planet?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the acceleration due to gravity at a point above a planet, given specific parameters such as the mass of the planet and the distance from its surface. The subject area includes gravitational physics and kinematics.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the planet's mass and the implications of distance on gravitational acceleration. There are questions regarding the treatment of units and the correct application of gravitational equations. Some participants explore the relationship between gravitational acceleration and distance, while others suggest approximating acceleration variations.

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There is an ongoing examination of calculations and assumptions regarding the gravitational force at point A. Some participants have provided corrections and alternative perspectives on the calculations, while others are exploring further implications related to time of fall based on different acceleration values.

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Homework Statement


A mass m=100[kg] is released from stand still at point A which is in a distance of 1E7[m] from the face of a planet.
The planet's radius is also 1E7[m] and the free fall acceleration on it's face is 10[m/s2.
What is the acceleration at point A

Homework Equations


The acceleration: ##g=\frac{GM}{r^2}##

The Attempt at a Solution


First i find the mass:
$$10=\frac{6.7E-11\cdot M}{1E7^2}\Rightarrow M=1.49E18$$
$$g=\frac{6.7E-11\cdot 1.49E18}{2E7^2}=250E-9$$
Obviously this is wrong, the answer should be g=2.5
 
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You have it set up correctly. Check your calculation of M. Did you treat (1E7)^2 correctly?

What about units, especially in your answer?
 
Karol said:
$$g=\frac{6.7E-11\cdot 1.49E18}{2E7^2}=250E-9$$
You have got M correct but this part is wrong.

The radius is ##(2 \times(10^7))^2## not ##2 \times (10^7)^2##

And yes, it's more accurate to treat ##G## as ##6.67 \times 10^7##
 
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I fixed it, i calculated wrong.
There is a harder continuation to this problem.
Approximate the time of fall by imposing upper and lower limits on the time.
I took the acceleration on the face and it gave a time of 1414[sec]. the upper limit is more complicated since the result is 2828[sec], and it isn't with the acceleration at A.
I guess i could approximate the acceleration to vary linearly with r: g=kr, but then i don't know to treat this kinematically
 
Karol said:

Homework Equations


The acceleration: ##g=\frac{GM}{r^2}##

If you note that g varies as the inverse square of the distance, you should be able to get the answer for g at A without pencil and paper. What happens to g if r is doubled?
 
Karol said:
I took the acceleration on the face and it gave a time of 1414[sec]. the upper limit is more complicated since the result is 2828[sec], and it isn't with the acceleration at A.

Are you sure that you don't get 2828 s if you use the acceleration at A?
 
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r = planet radius = 1 E+7 metres
R = elevation = 1 E+7 metres
G = 6.7 E-11 (a constant)

Planet mass (M) from :
M = ( r ² * 10 ) / G
M = 1.493 E+25 kg

Only if you disregard the mass of body 2 (100 kg) as negligible (which it is, compared to the planet) can you simply calculate the field strength (g) from the basic equation :

g1 / g2 = ( ( r2 / r1 ) ² )
Key :
g1 = surface field strength ( ( m / s ) / s )
g2 = outer field strength ( ( m / s ) / s )
d1 = surface distance (m)
d2 = outer distance (m)

Transpose for g2 and calculate :
g2 = 2.5 ( ( m / s ) / s )

Your right with the time parameters, putting g as 2.5 and 10 gives the fall times of 2828 and 1414 seconds
 

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