What is the Algebraic Method for Finding Delta?

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The discussion revolves around finding the value of delta in the context of limits, specifically using the function f(x) = x², with a limit L = 4, at the point x₀ = -2, and an epsilon value e = 0.5. Participants are exploring the algebraic method for determining delta based on the given parameters.

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  • Participants are attempting to manipulate inequalities derived from the limit definition and question the treatment of square roots in their calculations. There is a focus on ensuring the correct interpretation of the inequalities and the implications of the chosen values for x.

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There is an active exploration of the problem with various participants providing insights and questioning each other's reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the treatment of square roots and the formulation of the limit definition, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach to find delta.

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Participants are navigating through potential mistakes in their calculations and assumptions, particularly regarding the handling of square roots and the implications of the inequalities involved. There is an emphasis on ensuring that the values of x remain close to x₀ in the context of the limit.

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Given f(x) = x2, L = 4, xo = -2, e = 0.5 find delta.

-0.5 < x2 - 4 < 0.5

3.5 < x2 < 4.5

(3.5)1/2 - (-2) < x - (-2) < (4.5)1/2 - (-2)

=>|x - xo| < (3.5)1/2 - (-2) ~ 3.87

My text says the answer is 0.12 ?

I was convinced that I have been doing these right. Am I?
 
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Saladsamurai said:
Given f(x) = x2, L = 4, xo = -2, e = 0.5 find delta.

-0.5 < x2 - 4 < 0.5

3.5 < x2 < 4.5

you have a skipped an important step here, when you take the square root, do you take the positive or negative squareroot... thoughts?

ie. assuming
a2 < x2 < b2
you need to be careful about whether you treat a & b as positive or negative numbers


Saladsamurai said:
(3.5)1/2 - (-2) < x - (-2) < (4.5)1/2 - (-2)

=>|x - xo| < (3.5)1/2 - (-2) ~ 3.87

My text says the answer is 0.12 ?

I was convinced that I have been doing these right. Am I?

As a test try using you delta & see what e it gives you?

As an aside I would tray & start a little more explicit:
so there exists d>0 such that for all |x-x0|< d, |f(x)-f(x0)|<e

Now
|f(x)-f(x0)|= |x^2-x0^2|= |(x+x0)(x-x0)| < e

Any ideas how to re-write this in terms of delta?
 
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You did a mistake.

It should be:

√3.5 < |x| < √4.5
 
lanedance said:
As an aside I would tray & start a little more explicit:
so there exists d>0 such that for all |x-x0|< d, |f(x)-f(x0)|<e

Now
|f(x)-f(x0)|= |x^2-x0^2|= |(x+x0)(x-x0)| < e

Okay then! :smile:

I am not really sure what you are doing here? Could you please explain?

Thanks :)
 
Starting with your inequality 3.5 < x2 < 4.5, it must be either that
1) [itex]\sqrt{3.5}[/itex] < x < [itex]\sqrt{4.5}[/itex], OR
2) [itex]-\sqrt{4.5}[/itex] < x < [itex]-\sqrt{3.5}[/itex]

Since x0 in your problem is -2, which of the inequalities above is the one that should be used for this problem? For your limit, x should be reasonably close to x0.
 

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