What is the Angle of Twist for a Hollow Tube with a Cut Along its Length?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the angle of twist for a hollow tube with specific dimensions and a cut along its length. Participants are addressing a homework problem that involves theoretical and mathematical reasoning related to mechanics of materials.

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Main Points Raised

  • The initial calculation of the angle of twist was reported as 1.70x10-8 radians/metre, which the poster questioned due to its smallness.
  • One participant suggested ensuring all values are converted to consistent units and clarified the need to specify whether the 40 mm measurement refers to the inside, outside, or mean diameter of the tube.
  • Another participant pointed out that the angle of twist should be expressed in radians (or degrees) rather than radians per meter, as the angle remains constant along the length of the tube.
  • It was noted that the polar moment of inertia could be calculated separately to simplify the process, although incorporating it into a single equation is also valid.
  • Participants discussed the absence of a specified tube length, indicating that the angle of twist must include the length as an unknown variable in the solution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need for consistent units and the correct expression of the angle of twist. However, there is no consensus on the initial calculation's correctness, and multiple viewpoints on the approach to the problem remain unresolved.

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The discussion highlights limitations such as the unspecified tube length and the potential for confusion regarding the definitions of the tube's dimensions. There are also unresolved mathematical steps related to the calculation of the angle of twist.

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Homework Statement


I have been tasked with finding the angle of twist of the following component:
Hollow tube 40mm diameter, 2mm wall thickness, with a 2mm cut along its length (see image), x=2mm.


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The Attempt at a Solution



Please see attachment for my attempt.
I calculated this to be 1.70x10-8 radians/metre.
This seems very small (incorrect?).
Can anyone spot any obvious errors with the equations/workings out?
Thanks in advance
 

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Corsan: You need to convert all values to consistent units. List the units with each quantity in your calculations, and ensure the units cancel out to produce the correct units for the answer. Is 40 mm the tube inside diameter, outside diameter, or mean diameter? You want to ensure you are using the tube mean circumference. Also, do not subtract the saw-cut gap from the tube radius; subtract the saw-cut gap from the tube mean circumference. Try again.
 
In addition to what nvn posted, there's a couple of other things that stick out.

First, your answer shouldn't be in rad/m. It would just be in radians (or degrees). The angle is consistent along the entire length of the tube. It's the arc length that will change.

Second, you may find it easier to calculate your polar moment of inertia separately, and then plug it into your equation. That way, you can limit the amount of units you have to deal with at anyone time. It's fine to incorporate it all into one equation - I just (personally) find that it sometimes gets a little messy with that many numbers and units.
 
No tube length is given. Therefore, Corsan would need to report radians/metre (if no tube length is given). The twist angle changes constantly (linearly) along the tube length.
 
Right - gamma is the constant angle, but theta (what's actually being solved for) changes. My bad. :eek:

In the case of no tube length given, then the solution for theta must include L (as an unknown) in its answer. Otherwise, rad/meter is a ratio, and not really an angle. So, including the unknown L as part of the answer indicates that the length (in meters) "cancels out" the meter in the denominator.
 

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