What is the Angular Momentum of a Baseball?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the angular momentum of a baseball, focusing on the components of angular momentum in a three-dimensional coordinate system. The problem involves understanding the relationship between mass, velocity, and position vectors in the context of angular momentum.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the vector equation for angular momentum and its components. There are attempts to clarify the correct setup of velocity and position vectors, with some questioning the assumptions about the baseball's trajectory and the dimensions of the field. Others suggest using trigonometric relationships to resolve the velocity components.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on vector equations and the importance of precision in calculations. There are multiple interpretations of the problem setup, particularly regarding the baseball's motion and the relevant distances. Some participants express uncertainty about the values used in calculations and the implications of those values on the results.

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Participants note constraints such as the lack of specific dimensions for the baseball field and the need for clarity on the trajectory of the baseball. There is also mention of the height of the baseball above the ground and its relevance to the calculations.

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Homework Statement
Joe is an unusual baseball player who also enjoys physics problems. He draws a diagram of the baseball field, placing the origin at home plate and making the x-axis run along the first base line, the y-axis run along the third base line, and the z-axis point straight up.

During the game, he swings and hits a line drive directly up the middle. The ball flies directly over second base at a height 6 meters above the ground and with a purely horizontal velocity of 20 meters per second.

What is the angular momentum of the ball at this moment, measured around home plate in the î direction, in the ĵ direction and in the k̂ direction?
Relevant Equations
angular momentum= (mass) (velocity) (radius)
k̂ direction = 0 kg*m^2/s
ĵ direction = 0 kg*m^2/s
î direction = (0.145kg) (20m/s) (6m) = 17.4 kg*m^2/s
 
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You need a vector equation for angular momentum because you are looking for its components. What is that equation? If you don't remember, look it up.
 
angular momentum= m*|v*r|sin θ
 
radius of baseball field from home plate = 18.44m
thus v= 0i + 0j + 20k
r= 18.44i + 18.44j+ 19.39k
 
ac7597 said:
thus v= 0i + 0j + 20k
I am largely ignorant of baseball, but it says the y-axis is at third base and the ball is traveling horizontally over second base. So none of those velocity coordinates look right.
 
ac7597 said:
angular momentum= m*|v*r|sin θ
This is just the magnitude of the angular momentum. You cannot get components out of this expression.
ac7597 said:
radius of baseball field from home plate = 18.44m
thus v= 0i + 0j + 20k
r= 18.44i + 18.44j+ 19.39k
Problems with your answer
1. Your velocity is straight up against gravity. The problem says it is "purely" horizontal at the instant of interest.
2. The length of the side of the infield is not given, therefore you cannot write down the position vector. You can look it up, but in this case it does not matter. Furthermore, the height of the ball is given as "6 meters above gound" Your answer does not show this.
3. I am not sure how you came up with the "radius" of the baseball field being 18.44 m and what distance this is. Regardless of that, it is not the relevant distance.

Besides these problems, it looks like you need to improve your understanding of angular momentum. Start here and pay particular attention to the vector product.
 
Use a x-y coordinate system to find the angle of a right triangle
We can find the angle Θ by cosΘ= (27.4m)/ (18.39m*2)
Θ=41.8
thus to find the vectors of the velocity:
x-direction=(20m/s)cos(41.8) = 14.9m/s
y-direction=(20m/s)sin(41.8) = 13.3m/s
v= 14.9i + 13.3j + 0k ?
 
ac7597 said:
Use a x-y coordinate system to find the angle of a right triangle
We can find the angle Θ by cosΘ= (27.4m)/ (18.39m*2)
Θ=41.8
I have no idea where or how you got these numbers neither do I understand what "(27.4m)/ (18.39m*2)" means.
ac7597 said:
thus to find the vectors of the velocity:
x-direction=(20m/s)cos(41.8) = 14.9m/s
y-direction=(20m/s)sin(41.8) = 13.3m/s
v= 14.9i + 13.3j + 0k ?
Better in the sense that the velocity is horizontal, but still incorrect. Make a drawing of the infield and draw the trajectory of the ball from home plate to over second base as seen from above (bird's eye view). Draw an arrow of the velocity vector. What angle does it make with respect to the x and y axes?
 
45deg?
 
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ac7597 said:
45deg?
Right, so what do you get for the velocity vector now?
 
  • #11
v= 14.1i + 14.1j + 0k ?
 
  • #12
ac7597 said:
v= 14.1i + 14.1j + 0k ?
Right
 
  • #13
R= r*i + r*j +6k
 
  • #14
ac7597 said:
R= r*i + r*j +6k
Ok
 
  • #15
I tried to find the radius of the circle inside the rhombus shaped baseball field and got 13m
v= 14.1i + 14.1j + 0k
R= 13i + 13j +6k
angular momentum I = 12.3kg*m^2/s
angular momentum j= -12.3kg*m^2/s
 
  • #16
mass of baseball= 0.145 kg
the radius is not relevant since
I: [(14.1*6)- (r*0)] (0.145kg) = 12.26 kg*m^2/s
j: [ (0*r)- (14.1*6)] (0.145kg) = -12.26 kg*m^2/s
however these answers are incorrect
 
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ac7597 said:
mass of baseball= 0.145 kg
the radius is not relevant since
I: [(14.1*6)- (r*0)] (0.145kg) = 12.26 kg*m^2/s
j: [ (0*r)- (14.1*6)] (0.145kg) = -12.26 kg*m^2/s
however these answers are incorrect
You should keep a bit more precision until the end, like 14.14.
But your main problem is signs. What vector equation are you using for angular momentum?
 
  • #18
Yes, apparently its:
R= ri +rj +6k
v= 14.1i + 14.1j + 0k
or m(R*v)
thus I: -12.26kg*m^2/s
j: -12.26kg*m^2/s
 
  • #19
j: 12.26kg*m^2/s
 
  • #20
ac7597 said:
j: 12.26kg*m^2/s
Yes, except that 12.3 is a bit closer in both magnitudes.
 

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