Why Is the Calculated Angular Momentum of the Pucks Zero?

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of angular momentum for a system of three identical pucks in circular motion. The original poster questions why their calculated angular momentum is zero, despite the expectation that it should have a non-zero value based on the system's parameters.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the vector nature of angular momentum and question whether the vectors cancel out. They discuss the direction of angular momentum in relation to angular velocity and consider whether to sum the magnitudes of individual pucks' angular momentum.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively questioning the assumptions regarding the direction of angular momentum and its calculation. Some guidance has been offered regarding the vector nature of angular momentum and its relationship to angular velocity, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

There is an ongoing discussion about the definitions and assumptions related to angular momentum and angular velocity, including the treatment of angular velocity as a scalar in 2D motion versus a vector in 3D motion. Participants also reference the need for clarity on the SI units of angular velocity.

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Homework Statement


Three small, identical 0.70-kg pucks are attached to identical 0.50-m strings, tied together at a common center as shown in (Figure 1) . Pucks are whirled in circular motion at angular speed 3.0 s-1

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What is the magnitude of the angular momentum of the system about the common center?

Homework Equations


I = mr2
Lθ = Iwθ

The Attempt at a Solution


Angular momentum is a vector, therefore the angular momentum of this system should be 0 kg m2/s as all the vectors will cancel out. The magnitude of that is also 0 kg m2/s.

Apparently this answer is wrong. Where am I going wrong? When they ask for the magnitude of the angular momentum, do they want me to find the magnitude of the angular momentum for each puck and then add the magnitudes together?
 

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Joshua A said:

The Attempt at a Solution


Angular momentum is a vector, therefore the angular momentum of this system should be 0 kg m2/s as all the vectors will cancel out. The magnitude of that is also 0 kg m2/s.

Apparently this answer is wrong. Where am I going wrong? When they ask for the magnitude of the angular momentum, do they want me to find the magnitude of the angular momentum for each puck and then add the magnitudes together?

What is the direction of the angular momentum vectors?
 
PeroK said:
What is the direction of the angular momentum vectors?

The direction of the angular momentum vectors should be the same as the angular velocity vectors. I had assumed that the direction of the angular velocity vector would be in the direction of the motion of the puck (i.e. along the t axis). Looking back through my textbook, they do not actually specify a direction for the angular velocity, just the magnitude of the angular velocity. From a Google search, it seems that the direction is actually perpendicular to the plane of rotation, therefore the vectors would not cancel out as they are all pointing the same direction.

I assume the answer should then be:
Lθ1 = (0.70kg)(0.50m)2(3.0s-1)

for puck 1, and the same for pucks 2 and 3. Then the angular momentum of the system would be Lθ = Lθ1 + Lθ2 + Lθ3
 
Joshua A said:
From a Google search, it seems that the direction is actually perpendicular to the plane of rotation, therefore the vectors would not cancel out as they are all pointing the same direction.

Yes. In 2D motion, angular velocity (and momentum) is often simplified to a signed scalar: anticlockwise is positive and clockwise is negative. For 3D motion, you have to consider the full vector nature.

Joshua A said:
I assume the answer should then be:
Lθ1 = (0.70kg)(0.50m)2(3.0s-1)

for puck 1, and the same for pucks 2 and 3. Then the angular momentum of the system would be Lθ = Lθ1 + Lθ2 + Lθ3

What is the SI unit of angular velocity?
 
PeroK said:
What is the SI unit of angular velocity?

Angular velocity? s-1 (or rad/s - normally, as far as I know, rad isn't specified)
Angular momentum is kg m2/s
 
Joshua A said:
normally, as far as I know, rad isn't specified
The SI unit is rad/s, but radians are generally considered dimensionless.
 

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