What is the Average of Cosine of Theta over a Specific Range?

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The discussion revolves around finding the average value of the cosine function over the interval from 0 to π. Participants are examining the implications of the average value and questioning the validity of proposed answers.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are attempting to calculate the average of cos(θ) over the specified range and are questioning the correctness of various proposed values. Some are suggesting the use of graphical analysis to understand the area under the curve, while others are discussing the implications of uniform versus non-uniform distributions in calculating the average.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing differing viewpoints on the average value of cos(θ). Some have offered corrections to earlier statements, while others are exploring the implications of the distribution of θ on the average calculation. There is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or value.

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There is mention of the need for a weighted average due to the specific conditions of the problem, which may alter the standard assumptions about uniform distribution in the interval.

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The average of \##\cos \theta ## for ##\theta## going from 0 to ##\pi## is - ##\pi/2##.
Is this correcct?
 

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Pushoam said:
The average of \##\cos \theta ## for ##\theta## going from 0 to ##\pi## is - ##\pi/2##.
Is this correcct?

Certainly not! Cos(theta) is always between -1 and 1. How could its average over any interval ever be -1.57?
 
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Pushoam said:
The average of \cosθcos⁡θ\cos \theta for θθ\theta going from 0 to ππ\pi is - π/2π/2\pi/2.
Plot the graph and see the area under the cos function between 0 to pi. What does that tell you about its average?
 
cnh1995 said:
Plot the graph and see the area under the cos function between 0 to pi. What does that tell you about its average?
The average required in this question is a weighted average, so its value is not evident from such a graph. Or were you just saying this is a way to see what the limits must be on any such average?
 
phyzguy said:
Certainly not! Cos(theta) is always between -1 and 1. How could its average over any interval ever be -1.57?
Sorry, it is ##\frac{-2}{\pi}##. Right?
 
Pushoam said:
Sorry, it is ##\frac{-2}{\pi}##. Right?
If we ignore the actual question and ask for the average value of cos(θ) over the interval 0 to π then we would assume a uniform distribution of θ over that interval. And, no, the answer is not -2/π. How do you get that?
But this is irrelevant here. The given information alters the probability distribution of θ, leading to a different average.
 
##<\cos\theta>= \frac{\int_0^{\pi/2} \cos\theta d\, \theta} {\int_0^{\pi/2} d\, \theta} = \frac2{-\pi}##
 
Pushoam said:
##<\cos\theta>= \frac{\int_0^{\pi/2} \cos\theta d\, \theta} {\int_0^{\pi/2} d\, \theta} = \frac2{-\pi}##
Three problems with that:
  1. You wrote in post #1 that you wanted the average over 0 to π, not 0 to π/2.
  2. The integral above does not produce a negative answer.
  3. This is irrelevant to the question at hand. As I wrote, that formula gives the average for a uniform distribution of θ over the range. In this question you have other information, and that results in a non-uniform distribution. You need a weighted average.
 

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