What Is the Best Term for an Object Not Moving and Not Accelerating?

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The discussion revolves around the terminology used to describe an object that is not moving and not accelerating. Participants explore the implications of the term "rest" in various contexts, including physics problems and teaching scenarios, and consider alternative terms such as "stationary" or "motionless." The scope includes conceptual clarification and potential confusion arising from the use of these terms in educational settings.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested, Meta-discussion

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether "rest" is the best term to describe an object that is not moving and not accelerating, suggesting alternatives like "stationary" or "motionless."
  • Another participant defends the term "rest," noting that "momentarily at rest" is commonly used to clarify situations where velocity is zero but acceleration may not be.
  • A different participant emphasizes that "at rest" is a standard description, acknowledging its known issues but suggesting that context usually clarifies meaning.
  • A participant shares their experience from a previous discussion, indicating that the term "rest" can lead to ambiguity in educational contexts, particularly when derivatives of velocity are involved.
  • The same participant reflects on their teaching practice, expressing a desire for clearer phrasing in questions about objects at rest, while noting that textbooks often use "rest" to imply zero velocity and its derivatives.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the adequacy of the term "rest." While some defend its use, others highlight potential ambiguities and suggest alternatives. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best terminology to use.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the term "rest" can lead to confusion, especially in educational contexts where the implications of velocity and acceleration are critical. There is an acknowledgment of the need for clarity in phrasing questions to avoid misunderstandings.

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A block is at rest on a ramp with an incline of 30 degrees above the horizontal. Find the force of static friction between the block and the ramp.

One might be tempted to say that it equals the resultant force down the ramp: mg sin30.

Or...
A book is at rest on a table. What is the net force acting on the book? One might be tempted to say 0.

A few years ago on this forum we had a discussion about the word "rest" meaning v = 0, but not necessarily acceleration or any of the other derivatives of velocity.

This block might have been slid up a frictionless ramp, and is momentarily at rest at its highest point, in which case there is no static friction.

Likewise, the book might be sliding across a frictionless table into a breeze that momentarily brings it to rest before reversing its direction. Net force is not 0.

Is there a better word than "rest" to describe an object that is not moving and not accelerating and not jerking, etc...

"Stationary", "motionless"?
 
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"Rest" is fine. "Momentarily at rest" is customarily used for the other cases you mention, and the only complication is that people sometimes omit the "momentarily" qualification when it is obvious from the context that we're discussing a situation in which dv/dt is non-zero even though v is zero.
 
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"at rest" is the standard description, it is well known as are the problems with it - people usually figure out what is intended from context.
If there is a possibility of misunderstanding, it is incumbent on the author to say more.

Note: "stationary in the frame of..." is very common in special relativity.
If you want to see how possible confusions arise and are dealt with, that is a good field to start with.
 
I found the old thread from 2012.
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/what-does-rest-mean.631292/
Back then when I asked, I was getting my credential to teach high school physics. Now I teach and often make up my own questions. Even though the students might not notice, it's my intention to phrase questions as accurately as possible. After being told in that thread (and subsequently looking up the definition and verifying) that rest has nothing to do with the derivatives of velocity, I phrased some questions in a manner that confused the students: "A block is on an incline. It is at rest and is not accelerating..." Simply stating it was at rest would have been clearer to them, but it bothered me because according to the definition, it would have been ambiguous. It seems textbooks use "rest" in their questions to mean velocity and its derivatives = 0. So I guess I'll just follow convention and do the same. I was just wondering if there was a better word for staying put and continuing to stay put? Thanks for the replies!
 

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