What is the center of mass in a triangular beam?

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the center of mass for a triangular beam, exploring different methods and interpretations of integrals in mechanics of materials. Participants are attempting to reconcile their calculations with established results and clarify their understanding of the concept.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant mentions a book stating the center of mass is at 2/3 of the length, while they calculate it as L/√2 using integrals.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of correctly writing integrals, suggesting that the initial formulation may have been incorrect.
  • A participant revises their integral setup, indicating that they are looking for a value that gives half of the area of the triangle, but still arrives at a conflicting result of b/√2.
  • One participant explains that the center of mass does not lie on the line that divides the triangle into equal areas, providing a detailed breakdown of the integration process for calculating moments and areas.
  • Another participant presents their integration results, arriving at L^2/3, and discusses the calculation of the center of mass based on moments and areas.
  • There is a suggestion that the confusion may stem from the division of moment by area, which one participant acknowledges as a potential oversight.

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Participants express differing views on the correct calculation of the center of mass, with some asserting that their methods yield different results. The discussion remains unresolved as participants explore various approaches without reaching a consensus.

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Participants' calculations depend on their interpretations of integrals and the definitions of area and moment, which may lead to different conclusions. There are unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions that could affect the outcomes.

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Hello,, I'm reading about beams in mechanics of matrials. But I'm a bit stuck because of one thing that I either don't understand or just don't comply with!

So, here's a picture from the book: picture 003

It says that the center of mass should be at 2/3 of the length..

I tried to calculate the center of mass on my own using integrals which states that it should be L/√2

here's my solution using a and b instead of L, am I doing something wrong? : pisture 004
 

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When writing integrals, it is ALWAYS important to write the dx or dy, especially so you don't get confused about which variable you are integrating.

The integral you set up, presumably to calculate the moment of the load about the end of the triangle, is incorrectly formulated, which is why you get an erroneous result.
 
SteamKing said:
When writing integrals, it is ALWAYS important to write the dx or dy, especially so you don't get confused about which variable you are integrating.

The integral you set up, presumably to calculate the moment of the load about the end of the triangle, is incorrectly formulated, which is why you get an erroneous result.

Ok, thanks for help! I found something that were wrong in the calculation,, the integral should equal a*b/4 (area/2), because I'm looking for a x value that gives half of the area, which I call p! but the answer is still b/√2 otherwise, is there something incorrect with the integral? I also tried the result to se if it were half of the area by puting values in a and b, and it were half of the area!

Is there something that I don't get?
 
davidhansson said:
Ok, thanks for help! I found something that were wrong in the calculation,, the integral should equal a*b/4 (area/2), because I'm looking for a x value that gives half of the area, which I call p! but the answer is still b/√2 otherwise, is there something incorrect with the integral? I also tried the result to se if it were half of the area by puting values in a and b, and it were half of the area!

Is there something that I don't get?

Yes. The center of mass of a triangle is not the on the line which divides the triangle into equal areas.

If you take a small strip of area under the triangle, you get dA = y*dL. If the load is w0 at x = L,
then y = w0*x/L for any location between x = 0 and x = L.

We can rewrite dA = y*dL as dA = (w0*x/L)*dx. The moment dM of this strip of area about the point x = 0 is dM = x*dA = x*(w0*x/L)*dx = (w0*(x^2)/L)*dx

If you integrate dA and dM between x = 0 and x = L, you should obtain the total load and the moment of that load about x = 0. If you divide the moment by the load, then you should get x-bar = 2*L/3.
 
ok, I don't knowe if I'm making the integration in the right way. But I get W0*(L^2)/3

dM=(W0*(x^2)/L)dx Integration gives: M=W0*(x^3/3L) -->

Inserting L and dividing with W0: (L^3/3L) --> L^2/3
 
Look, I'm not sure why this is so difficult for you, but these are really simple integrations to do:

dA = (w0*x/L)*dx

integrating both sides and evaluating from x = 0 to x = L:

A = (w0*x^2/(2*L) from x = 0 to x = L
A = w0*L^2/(2*L) - 0 = w0 * L/2

For the moment:

dM = (w0*(x^2)/L)*dx

Integrating:

M = w0 * (x^3)/(3*L)

evaluating from x = 0 to x = L:

M = w0 * (L^3)/(3*L) - 0 = w0 * (L^2)/3

Now, to find the center of mass:

c.o.m. = M / A

c.o.m. = w0 * (L^2) / 3 divided by w0 * L / 2

c.o.m. = (L^2)/3 * 2 / L

c.o.m. = 2 * L^2 / (3 * L) = 2 * L / 3
 
Neither do I..

Ok, I think it was the M/A part I forgot,,

I think I got it now,, thanks!
 

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