What Is the Correct Approach to Solve This Loop Analysis Problem?

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The discussion revolves around a loop analysis problem in circuit theory, focusing on the correct application of Kirchhoff's Voltage Law (KVL) and the relationships between various currents in a given circuit. Participants are attempting to solve for unknown currents and voltages based on their initial equations and assumptions.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents initial equations for loop analysis but expresses uncertainty about their correctness.
  • Another participant questions the polarity of a voltage (Vx) and suggests a correction to the equation involving i2.
  • There is a discussion about the assumed direction of current i2 and its impact on voltage drop across a resistor.
  • Several participants recalculate values for the currents (i1, i2, i3, i4) based on revised equations, but discrepancies arise in verifying the results using KVL.
  • One participant identifies an error in their earlier calculation of i1 and corrects it, leading to a new value for i2.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct values for the currents and voltages, as multiple calculations yield different results and some participants express confusion over the application of KVL.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the direction of currents and the resulting voltage drops, which may affect the calculations. Participants have not fully reconciled their equations with KVL checks.

Who May Find This Useful

Students studying circuit analysis, particularly those interested in loop analysis and the application of Kirchhoff's Laws.

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Homework Statement



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Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution



I called the top left loop i1, the top right loop i2, the bottom right loop i3, and the bottom left loop i4. I have all of these currents going clockwise in my work. An attempt to do loop analysis has left me with the following equations:

i4=(2Vx)/(1K)
i1-i2=2mA
i3=-4mA
-i2(4kΩ)=Vx

With this, I used KVL along the top loop going clcokwise, which got me:

-2(i1-i4) - 4i1 - 4i2 - 1i2 - 8(i2-i3) = 0
Solving this got me:
i2=(-25/44)mA

Then, V0=(8kΩ)(-25/44 mA)=-1.76V

Can someone please help me figure it out? When I go and try to check it, my work gets pretty weird...Pretty sure this is wrong. Can someone please help me find my mistake?
 
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Verify the polarity of Vx.
 
I was confused by that.

Should it be i2(4κΩ)=Vx?

Redoing my work gets me V0=11V, which looks better. I'll check to see if that answer makes more sense
 
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Current through a resistor causes a voltage drop (+ to -) in the direction that the current flows. What's the assumed direction of i2?
 
gneill said:
Current through a resistor causes a voltage drop (+ to -) in the direction that the current flows. What's the assumed direction of i2?

I have all the currents going clockwise.

I have i2 going from left to right on that resistor.
 
ee_ess_ee-kid said:
I have all the currents going clockwise.

I have i2 going from left to right on that resistor.

So then...
 
gneill said:
So then...

So then it should be Vx=i2(4κΩ)
 
ee_ess_ee-kid said:
So then it should be Vx=i2(4κΩ)

Correct.
 
If I use that, I get the following:

i1=13mA
i2=11mA
i3=-4mA
i4=88mA

Using these values, I fail to get a correct check using KVL on the top loop. I can't get ƩV=0...
 
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ee_ess_ee-kid said:
If I use that, I get the following:

i1=13mA
i2=11mA
i3=-4mA
i4=88mA

Using these values, I fail to get a correct check using KVL on the top loop. I can't get ƩV=0...

I get a different value for i2 (I didn't check the other currents) when I solve your equations. You'll have to post your work in detail if we're to see what's happened.
 
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gneill said:
I get a different value for i2 (I didn't check the other currents) when I solve your equations. You'll have to post your work in detail if we're to see what's happened.

Actually, I found it myself. Turns out I did the following:

i1-i2=2mA → i1=2-i2

Which is wrong :p

Fixing this error, I got a value of i2=-14.6667=-44/3, if i2 were going clockwise.
 
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Thanks for all of your help, I really appreciate it!
 

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