Mesh Current Analysis: Solve & Determine Magnitudes/Voltages

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving a circuit problem using the Mesh-current method, specifically focusing on determining current magnitudes and voltages across various elements in the circuit. The context is primarily homework-related, with participants attempting to derive equations and troubleshoot their solutions.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents their loop equations for the Mesh-current method but expresses uncertainty about their signs and overall correctness.
  • Another participant challenges the initial equations, pointing out the absence of a sketch and the need for clear definitions of current directions.
  • A participant clarifies their definitions of loop currents and suggests that the 3A current source should be treated as a fixed voltage source in the equations.
  • Further elaboration on the equations is provided, indicating the need to account for the interactions between different loop currents and resistances.
  • There is a suggestion to eliminate the 3A mesh current from the equations to simplify the problem-solving process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach consensus on the correctness of the initial equations or the approach to solving the problem. Multiple competing views on how to set up the equations and the treatment of the current source remain evident.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential issues with the initial setup of loop equations, including the treatment of current directions and the influence of the current source on the equations. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in correctly applying the Mesh-current method.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students learning about circuit analysis techniques, particularly the Mesh-current method, and those seeking to understand common pitfalls in setting up equations for circuit problems.

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Homework Statement


Solve using the Mesh-current method. Determine the current magnitudes and the voltages across all elements

Homework Equations


i=v/r
i1+i2+i3..=0

The Attempt at a Solution


loop 1:
16(i3-3)+25i1-5i2=12
loop2:
4i1-5i2=15

1) i1=5/9i2-1

substituting 1) into loop2 gives
-25/9i2+5+16i2=-12
i2=1.1344

substituting i2=1.1233 into 1) gives i1=4.672

Can someone show me where I'm going wrong? I think I messed up the signs somewhere, I tried it a few ways and can't get it to satisfy KCL after I check my answer.
 

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orangeincup said:
Can someone show me where I'm going wrong? I think I messed up the signs somewhere
That's impossible, because you have not sketched any loops or any currents ( except for i0 ).

You are the one to decide positive directions, etc.
 
My i1 is the middle loop (clockwise direction) and my i2 is the right loop (counter clockwise direction)
My i3 is the far left loop (clockwise direction) and the current was given as 3A
 
orangeincup said:
My i1 is the middle loop (clockwise direction) and my i2 is the right loop (counter clockwise direction)
My i3 is the far left loop (clockwise direction) and the current was given as 3A

orangeincup said:
loop 1:
16(i3-3)+25i1-5i2=12
loop2:
4i1-5i2=15

Given the above I don't see how you arrived at your two loop equations. If i3 has a given value, why does the i3 variable appear in the Loop1 equation? Loop 2 has a total of 16 Ohms in it, yet I don't see where your equation accounts for i2 flowing through that, nor how i1 is flowing through 4 Ohms for that loop when I see that a 5 Ohm resistor borders the loops.

I think you need to redo your loop equations. In general it's usually beneficial to choose the same loop direction for all loops (one reason has to do with some really handy and time saving matrix solving methods that you'll learn about soon) Here's a diagram to help:

Fig1.gif


I suggest that as a first step you might eliminate the 3 A mesh by moving its effect into the i1 loop as a fixed voltage source (due to its flowing through the 16 Ohm resistor).
 
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gneill said:
I suggest that as a first step you might eliminate the 3 A mesh by moving its effect into the i1 loop as a fixed voltage source
Your i3 = 3A, simply because i3 is the only loop-current that passes the current-source.

As for i2-loop you will get ( according to figure in #4 ):

+12V - ( 5 + 1 + 10 )Ω * i2 - 5Ω( -i1 ) = 0 ( i1 has opposite direction as to i2 )

And the equation as for i1?

Now, solve the 3 equations ( your calculator can probably do that simultaniously), or substitute i3 = 3A ( leaving 2 equations ).

i16Ω upward = i1 - i3 and so on.

Calculate the voltages by ohm's law.

 

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